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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 08:49:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

WoW Freakz link: AH Deposit
Bug description: Calculations Wrong
Proof: As per below print screens, the deposit should be 825g for all stacks to be listed, as you can see with the proof, before I started with the deposit I had 370,983g in my bag, I have listed 55 stacks, and my end total gold was 366,848g. Thus the total deposit paid was 4,135g, I have read several posts stating that neutral AH does increase the deposit, but it is literally it is 5x more than the suggested deposit price, if it needs to be 5x the deposit price, can we please get a reference to some documentation where this is stated to be true, as we are farming a lot and loosing big time on these 5x deposits. You will also see, a pack is selling for 50g to a vendor, but the deposit per stack is 30g, this does not make any sense.

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Proof While Adding:




Proof End:


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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 10:26:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Formulas:Auction_House
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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 10:53:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

The expected deposit fee for these auctions would be 4125. 4135 could be due to a rounding inconsistency.

Keep in mind that our Auction Houses for both factions are linked, thus, every Auction House is considering to be a Neutral AH, and Neutral AHs have higher deposit costs and higher cuts from the profit.

From what I can tell, nothing seems wrong.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 10:55:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

As per wowwiki, this should have been the case for 24h (Deposit (24hr auction) = 2 * Deposit (12hr auction)) not 5 * as per above example.

Even if I should have used 48h, the calculation should have been (Deposit (48hr auction) = 4 * Deposit (12hr auction)) , not close to 5 *.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 11:51:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Neutral ah takes 75% of merchant sell value. Normal ah takes 15% msv. 75%/15% = 5. The only question is why they treat normal ah as neutral ah.
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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 11:53:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

The simplified calculation for it is as follows:

150% of the Vendor Sell Value (50g) = 75g per stack

55x 75g = 4125g

Now of course the simplified calculation doesn't take rounding into account, so that's where the 10 gold difference from the final result (4135 ingame vs 4125 on paper) comes from.

What's happening is that the listed Deposit price ingame is far too low (exactly one fifth of what it should be), but the real calculation is correct.

Let me prove that to you in a simple example:



This is the vendor value of a stack of 8 of "Azshari Salad", it's exactly 1 gold.

Now, if you do the maths for a neutral AH, here they are again to remember:

Deposit (24hr) = 150% of MSV

That means the deposit should be exactly 1 gold 50 silver.



But it isn't. It's being displayed as 30 silver.

Let's list it.



Exactly 1 gold and 50 silver have been deducted from my gold value, just how it should be.


In conclusion: The visually displayed Deposit value ingame is one fifth of what it should be. The formula for the calculations is correct, you're paying exactly what you should, considering the fact that all AHs are treated as a neutral AH.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 11:59:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Then, can we ask that the deposit value displayed in neutral AH is multiplied with 1.5 for 24h etc. so that the deposit is showing correctly as per the calculations, and can we request that the faction AH's calculations can be fixed to the 5% instead of the 15% etc. ?

Because:

In factioned houses:
Deposit (12hr) = 15% of MSV
Deposit (24hr) = 30% of MSV
Deposit (48hr) = 60% of MSV

is way better than:

Deposit (12hr) = 75% of MSV
Deposit (24hr) = 150% of MSV
Deposit (48hr) = 300% of MSV

Also, the AH cut is way less:

Amount Received = Winning Bid - Cut + Deposit
(in Faction AH) = Winning Bid*(0.95) + Deposit
(in Neutral AH) = Winning Bid*(0.85) + Deposit

In conclusion, if these same items was sold at a factioned AH, my deposit should have been the following:

50g Vendor Selling Price Per Stack
50g * 0.3 = 15g
55 Stacks * 15g = 825g (This is what the original print screen was showing)

Deposit difference = Factioned house (825g) vs Neutral house (4,135g)
Savings in total = 3,310g

Please fix this.

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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 12:35:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

There's really nothing to "fix", it's working fine.

Every AH is Neutral, Alliance and Horde AHs are linked. Even the ones in Orgrimmar and Stormwind are crossfaction. Enabling this setting considers them neutral, there's no way around that.

Splitting them would basically kill Alliance economy.

Feel free to make a topic in: https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Suggestions-f5576.html about it, but this Bug Report is invalid, there's nothing bugged in any way apart from the visual bug with the Deposit cost.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 12:44:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

In Warlord of Draenor they linked horde, alliance and neutral ah keeping normal ah cuts/deposit.
"Items listed for sale on the Alliance, Horde, and neutral auction houses have now been combined together on a per-realm basis."
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/15682579/the-iron-tide-6-0-2-patch-notes

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Post Posted: 14-11-2019, 12:55:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Great, thank you for everyone's input.
If the visual can be corrected it will be a bonus -
This thread can be closed now.

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