Arena Solo Queue

[Shocker]

Following this discussion, we have implemented the promised solo queue. You can either join 2v2 skirmish non-rated matches or 3v3 rated matches without any team (they are also crossfaction). The 5v5 bracket no longer exists, it has been replaced by 3v3 solo bracket. You can see the leaderboards on the armory here https://armory.freakz.ro/pvp/leaderboards/genesis/3v3solo

To join the arena solo queue, either visit the Arena Solo Queue NPC or use the .soloq / .soloqueue command. You can also use the .3v3 command to enable the 3v3 arena announcer.

2v2 Skirmish matches:
- don't have any MMR condition, any player can get teamed up with any player
- have an itemlevel requirement of 450
- will consist of 1 healer + 1 DPS

3v3 rated matches:
- follow the same MMR matching rules as normal rated arenas (with a rating discard timer of 3 minutes, which means after 3 minutes of waiting in queue any player can be matched up with any player)
- have an itemlevel requirement of 496
- will consist of 1 healer + 2 DPS
- award conquest points as normal rated arenas
- count towards achieves / 3v3 arena quests
We are not adding extra restrictions for 3v3 rated yet (achievement requirement, other combo requirements, etc) because the more restrictions we add, the less useful the arena solo queue will be.

Depending on the feedback we receive, we might change the restrictions for both 2v2 and 3v3 matches.

WARNING! THE RATED 3v3 SOLO QUEUE LEADERBOARD MIGHT RESET IN THE FOLLOWING DAYS/WEEKS UNTIL WE ARE SURE ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THE SYSTEM. Also, depending on how populated this bracket, we will probably also award rewards at the end of the arena season

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[Sumoo]

Some of the problems iv noticed so far.
Sometimes gladius is not showing some of enemy players. http://imgur.com/7ZaatAf

Will add more bugs that i notice.
Btw not sure if its intended but having 2 same classes in team is kinda lame.
P.S This is best thing ever

 

Staff message (Shocker):

 

edited, removed fixed bugs

[compulsiv]

The rating discard timer of ~5 minutes is too long. 2 minutes should be ok.

Same class teams are indeed lame (think about resto sham with enha and elemental in the same team...).

[compulsiv]

bossutai wrote:

I think only pvp players should join this. There are a lot of pve players that play guardian druids or full pve... they're basically ruin everybody's game.

I don't think they can check what type of gear players have, but they could ban tank specs from joining.

[mental^depress]

• Tank specs should be restricted: Guardian Druid, Brewmaster Monk, Protection Warrior, Blood Death Knight, Protection Paladin.
  
• Raise the item level requirement for 2v2 to 490 or 495.
  
• FIXED - The ''unable to join'' issue isn't only about the players that didn't left the match. There are players that waited for more than 10 minutes and they still can't join. The issue is happening to multiple players at once ( the players facing different opponents ) so there can't be any ''afk'' player that didn't left the match in each situation. So far, i think there's some kind of delay between the player actions & the server, exactly as it was explained above, the server still ''thinks'' that the player is still in the match, even if that match is already ended.
  
• ( Optional ) In 3v3, make a rule so there won't be any ''double specs'' at the same time, for example double Arms Warrior + a healer.
  
• FIXED - Party chat doesn't work. ( Already known. )
  

[bossutai]

Also, i think class stacking is not too good (not just the players playing the same class with the same specs). No double druids/paladins/dks etc.

[Shocker]

Fixed:
- problems with queue not working after an arena ended but which has players still inside the arena
- party chat
- players not accepting rated 3v3 invitations now receive 1 day deserter
(fixes live after next restart)

Regarding:
1) Rating discard timer, currently it's 4 minutes (it's shared with the normal rated arenas rating discard timer), any ACTUAL reason to decrease it? If we decrease it high rated players will play more often but they will also end up with low rated players more often
2) Restrictions for double spec / double class. As mentioned above, adding more restrictions will decrease the number of rated matches => will probably render the system useless. Is this really such a big issue, bigger than not having arenas at all?
3) Should we really ban tank specs? Please remember @2) part, more restrictions => less chances for an arena match
4) Raise the ilvl requirement for 2v2? Why? They're skirmish, players want to play them without being fully geared

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[Turbokill1337]

Shocker wrote:

Fixed: - problems with queue not working after an arena ended but which has players still inside the arena - party chat - players not accepting rated 3v3 invitations now receive 1 day deserter (fixes live after next restart) Regarding: 1) Rating discard timer, currently it's 4 minutes (it's shared with the normal rated arenas rating discard timer), any ACTUAL reason to decrease it? If we decrease it high rated players will play more often but they will also end up with low rated players more often 2) Restrictions for double spec / double class. As mentioned above, adding more restrictions will decrease the number of rated matches => will probably render the system useless. Is this really such a big issue, bigger than not having arenas at all? 3) Should we really ban tank specs? Please remember @2) part, more restrictions => less chances for an arena match 4) Raise the ilvl requirement for 2v2? Why? They're skirmish, players want to play them without being fully geared

1) 3mins is ideal i would say
2) not a big deal
3) yes, tank spec's are not supposed to be in arena, their place is in pve, there arent that many but still.
4) no it`s fine this way

p.s restart please for queue bug

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[mental^depress]

Shocker wrote:

Fixed: Regarding: 1) Rating discard timer, currently it's 4 minutes (it's shared with the normal rated arenas rating discard timer), any ACTUAL reason to decrease it? If we decrease it high rated players will play more often but they will also end up with low rated players more often 2) Restrictions for double spec / double class. As mentioned above, adding more restrictions will decrease the number of rated matches => will probably render the system useless. Is this really such a big issue, bigger than not having arenas at all? 3) Should we really ban tank specs? Please remember @2) part, more restrictions => less chances for an arena match 4) Raise the ilvl requirement for 2v2? Why? They're skirmish, players want to play them without being fully geared

1) 3 min.
2) Only for double spec.
3) Yes, no point into allowing them to annoy people.
4) Just raise them a bit higher, 450 is really low, especially the fact that prideful will come soon.


LE: Another issue, the frames get bugged sometimes and you see 5 enemy frames ( because it's read as 5s ) and it ''breaks'' your interface, properly. More exactly the 3 well-known Arena Enemy Frame addons: GladiusEX, Gladius & sArena.

[Sumoo]

"- players not accepting rated 3v3 invitations now receive 1 day deserter "
Tbh thats way too high. In any other game you get 15 mins restriction max! even on retail. Your net could crash or you would have to open doors or something sometimes so i don't think 1 day restriction is good idea...
Still even this way solo q is best thing ever

[Shocker]

1) Decreased rating discard timer to 3 min
3) Tank specs are no longer allowed in rated 3v3 (still allowed in skirmish 2v2)

Sumoo wrote:

"- players not accepting rated 3v3 invitations now receive 1 day deserter " Tbh thats way too high. In any other game you get 15 mins restriction max! even on retail. Your net could crash or you would have to open doors or something sometimes so i don't think 1 day restriction is good idea... Still even this way solo q is best thing ever

You get 15 min when you leave a bg which doesn't affect other players that much, another player instantly gets in. But in 3v3 RATED arena matches, if you don't accept the invitation you will simply cause the other 2 players assigned to your team to lose the arena + lose rating / MMR. As said, you only get deserter if you DO NOT ACCEPT THE INVITATION once a group has been formed

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[Hanrythebest]

Well Shocker,there's only 1 thing you have to change here.Do Like atr so when a player lost the q pop ,only he get -rate and 15-30 mins deserter,rest of the players just have to wait for start (arena end if there are not 3 members in both of teams and 0 rate loss for them).Sry for bad eng.

[Yakul]

24h is really way too much. I miss-clicked and now I can sugi **** till tomorrow midnight... FeelsBadMan I've seen many other people complaining about the same thing.
It should be 15min-30min max. or as Hanry said, that way no1 will lose mmr/rating. (If you could remove my deserter please that would be awesome Edit: Misswatson is my name).
Also I want to thank you for making this happen, many players wanted this and many others will come just because of the Solo Q. Well done.

[Sumoo]

There are some more problems.
Im not sure how matchmaking works atm but im almost 1800 mmr/1700 rating and ii keep getting queued with guys with 200~ rating, winning with them gets me 6 rating while losing -15.
Also if you invite someone to party and you queue at the same time there are pretty good chances you will get into same game.
Also some people are exploiting specs. For example you can queue as mistweaver monk and then after que pops respec to WW so you get triple dps.
EDIT: Example

[Hanrythebest]

Sumoo wrote:

There are some more problems. Im not sure how matchmaking works atm but im almost 1800 mmr/1700 rating and ii keep getting queued with guys with 200~ rating, winning with them gets me 6 rating while losing -15. Also if you invite someone to party and you queue at the same time there are pretty good chances you will get into same game. Also some people are exploiting specs. For example you can queue as mistweaver monk and then after que pops respec to WW so you get triple dps.

Well first problem is not a problem...that's how work on atr also.