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Blood-ul are cea mai mare surviabilitate si este cel mai bun single target Aggro spec din 3.3.5. Veteran of the Third War creste Stamina cu 3%, pe langa asta avem cateva talente foarte bune pt un tank: Will of the Necropolis si Vampiric Blood pe care eu personal il consider cel mai bun defiensive cooldown din acest patch. Blood este specul care de asemenea ia si cel mai mare damage, dar compenseaza prin selfhealing-ul decent.

Index:
  1. Rune System & Runic Power
  2. Talente & Glyphuri
  3. Races
  4. Best in Slot Gear
  5. Pre-Raiding Gear
  6. Stats
  7. Gemming
  8. Enchanting
  9. Profesii Recomandate
  10. Consumabile
  11. Rotatie & Folosirea abilitatilor
  12. Macros
  13. Addons


  1. Rune System & Runic Power
    DK-ul are 2 tipuri de resurse: Runic Power(RP) si Rune-uri(Blood/Frost/Unholy). Runic power-ul se obtine folosind "special attack-urile" care folosesc Rune-uri(gen Icy Touch/Blood Strike/Scourge Strike, etc). Cu RP-ul puteti folosi Death Coil/Frost Strike/Rune Strike si bineinteles CD-urile defensive(Icebound Fortitude/Anti-magic Shell).

  2. Talente & Glyphuri
    Singurul spec viabil de Blood pt Tanking este 53/08/10 eventual cu mici modificari.
    Threatul cauzat de Dancing Rune Weapon nu mai este calculat ca personal threat(dp 3.3 parca) deci abilitatea este useless pt Tank spec. Daca aveti un Paladin cu Judgement of the Just, un Warrior cu Improved Thunder Clap sau un Druid cu Infected Wounds puteti oarecum scoate Improved Icy Touch si sa puneti aceste 3 puncte in Ravenous Dead sau sa le lasati pt 15% increased damage cu Icy Touch. Este recomandat sa le lasati cum sunt acum deoarece acel extra damage se stackeaza cu 7x Threat Multiplier aplicat Icy Touch-ului.
    Glyphuri: Glyph of Disease-Glyph of Vampiric Blood-Glyph of Rune Strike. Glyphurile minore nu sunt asa importante Thinking depind doar de preferinte...

  3. Races
    Horde:
    PvE DPS & Tank: Orc/Taurens
    Alliance:
    PvE Tank: Night Elf

  4. Best in Slot Gear



  5. Pre-Raiding Gear




  6. Stats

    Expertise: 14% sau 56 Expertise este necesar pentru parry cap-ul impotriva bossilor(aproape imposibil de obtinut). Obtinem 6 Expertise din Blood Talent Tree. 26 Expertise este minimul pentru a nu avea probleme in timpul raidurilor.

    Hit: 8% este Cap-ul pentru atacurile 2H si atacuri speciale. Cu toate acestea nu trebuie sa fiti hit caped pt tanking. Este o prostie sa sari peste upgradeuri doar pentru a avea 8% hit chance. un 6/7% Hit chance este decent.

    Spell Hit: 17% - 3% de la Misery si -1% de la Heroic Presence daca aveti un Draenei in grup. Ne mai ramane de acumulat 13-14% Spell hit(ceea ce este aproape imposibil). Cu toate astea tineti minte ca nu toate atacurile noastre sunt spelluri. Doar Icy Touch, Death Coil, Howling Blast, Blood Boil, Death and Decay si Mind Freeze tin cont de spell hit chance.

    Defense: Minimul pentru herioce este de 535, iar pentru raiduri 540. La fiecare 25 Defense Points primesti 1% Dodge, 1% Parry si 1% chance to be missed.

  7. Gemming
    Daca raidezi doar in ICC ignora tot ce voi scrie mai jos si foloseste doar Solid Majestic Zircon(eventual poti respecta socket colors doar unde primesti +12 Stamina Socket Bonus) deoarece nu este niciun Socket bonus care se merita odata ce ai Hellscream's Warsong (wowhead link)/Strength of Wrynn (wowhead link).

    Blue Socket: Solid Majestic Zircon
    Yellow Socket: Vivid Eye of Zul
    Red Socket: Guardian's Dreadstone
    Daca ai deja 26 Expertise foloseste:
    Red Socket: Regal Dreastone
    Daca esti Jewelcrafter foloseste 3 Solid Dragon's Eye. Vei primi 63 Stamina in plus.
    Meta: Austere Earthsiege Diamond

  8. Enchanting
    Helm - Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector +37 Stamina +20 Defense Engineering Only: Mind Amplification Dish +45 Stamina
    Pauldrons - Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle +20 Dodge +15 Defense, Greater Inscription of the Gladiator +30 Stamina +15 Resilience Inscription Only: Master's Inscription of the Pinnacle +60 Dodge +15 Defense
    Cloak - Major Agility +22 Agility, Mighty Armor +225 Armor, Titanweave +16 Defense Engineering Only: Flexweave Underlay +23 Agility
    Breastplate - Super Health +275 Health, Powerful Stats +10 All Stats, Greater Defense +22 Defense, Heavy Borean Armor Kit +18 Stamina
    Bracers - Major Stamina +40 Stamina, Expertise +15 Expertise, Major Defense +12 Defense Leatherworking Only: Fur Lining - Stamina +102 Stamina
    Gloves - Major Agility +20 Agility, Armsman +10 Parry +2% Threat, Heavy Borean Armor Kit +18 Stamina, Precision +20 Hit, Expertise +15 Expertise Engineering Only: Reticulated Armor Webbing +885 Armor
    Belt - Eternal Belt Buckle +1 Socket
    Legplates - Frosthide Leg Armor +55 Stamina +22 Agility
    Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality +15 Stamina Minor Runspeed Increase, Greater Fortitude +22 Stamina
    Rings - Enchanting Only: Enchant Ring - Stamina +30 Stamina
    Weapon 2H - Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle +2% Stamina +25 Defense

  9. Profesii recomandate

    Blacksmithing si Jewelcrafting sunt cele mai bune profesi pentru un tank. Cu Jewelcrafting primesti 63 Stamina de la Solid Dragon's Eye si cu Blacksmithing primesti 2 Sockete pentru Bracers si Gloves care iti dau 60 Stamina pentru un total de 123 extra Stamina.

  10. Consumabile

    Flask: Flask of Stoneblood
    Food: Rhinolicious Wormsteak, Snapper Extreme sau Blackened Dragonfin.
    Potions: Cel mai probabil veti folosi Indestructible Potions tot timpul, dar asigurativa ca aveti cateva Runic Healing Potions prin bag-uri. Puteti folosi o Indestructible Potion inainte sa intrati in combat, ceea ce va da posibilitatea sa mai folositi una dupa aproximativ un minut.

  11. Rotatie & Folosirea abilitatilor
    Abrevieri:
    AMS - Anti-Magic Shell
    AoD - Army of the Dead
    BB - Blood Boil
    BS - Blood Strike
    BT - Blood Tap
    CoI - Chains of Ice
    CE - Corpse Explosion
    Taunt - Dark Command
    Taunt/DG - Death Grip
    DC - Death Coil
    DnD - Death and Decay
    DS - Death Strike
    FS - Frost Strike
    HS - Heart Strike
    HoW - Horn of Winter
    HB - Howling Blast
    IBF - Icebound Fortitude
    IT/IS - Icy Touch/Icy Slam
    OB - Obliterate
    PT - Pestilence
    PoF/PoL - Path of Frost/Path of Lag
    PS - Plague Strike
    RS - Rune Strike
    SS - Scourge Strike

    Single Target:

    IT - PS - HS - HS - DS - DS - HS - HS - HS - HS

    Multiple Targets/AoE:

    DnD - IT - PS - PT - BB - DS - DS - BB

    Runic Power Usage

    Death Coil si Rune Strike sunt singurele abilitati cu care poti folosi RP-ul. Tineti minte ca intotdeauna sa folositi Rune Strike prioritar deoarece cauzeaza o cantitate extrem de mare de Threat. Folositi Death Coil doar dak aveti 60 RP(sau mai mult bineinteles)

    Vampiric Blood


    Cel mai bun defensive cooldown la momentul actual. Nu numai ca iti creste HP-ul cu 15%, dar creste de asemenea si healingul primit cu 35%. Cel mai mare avantaj la acest Cooldown este ca se scaleaza extraordinar de bine cu gearul.

  12. Macros

    Rune Strike Macro

    Code:
    #showtooltip someAbility
    /cast someAbility
    /cast !Rune Strike
    /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

    Acesta va pune Rune Strike in que pentru urmatorul melee swing si va folosi o abilitate imediat, de exemplu Heart Strike(schimba someAbility cu abilitatea dorita).

    Focus Macro

    Code:
    /focus

    Foarte folositor pentru orice Bossfight.

    Hysteria/Blood Fury Macro

    Code:
    #showtooltip Hysteria
    /cast [target=PlayerName] Hysteria
    /cast [target=YourName] Blood Fury
    /y Cast Hysteria on Player's Name

    Acesta casteaza pe un anumit player din raid(care trebuie trecut in macro acolo la "PlayerName") Hysteria fara sa fi nevoit sa il targetezi. A 3-a linie este pentru a anunta persoanele care nu sunt pe skype/vent/ts ca ati folosit acel Cooldown. Puteti scoate linia cu Blood Fury daca nu sunteti Orc.

    Blood Tap/Cooldown Macro

    Code:
    #showtooltip Vampiric Blood
    /cast Blood Tap
    /cast Vampiric Blood
    /cancelaura Blood Tap

    Acesta casteaza Blood Tap and Vampiric Blood cu un click, iar cu 2 va da cancel la Blood Tap.

    Healing Macro

    Code:
    #showtooltip
    /castsequence Raise Dead, Death Pact


    Focus Target Taunt

    Code:
    #showtooltip Dark Command
    /cast [target=focus] Dark Command

    Acesta casteaza Taunt pe focus target fara sa va schimbe targetul actual.

    Mouseover Taunt Target

    Code:
    #showtooltip Dark Command
    /cast [@mouseover] Dark Command

    Acesta casteaza Dark Command pe targetul asupra caruia este mouseul vostru.

    Avoidance

    Code:
    /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Avoidance with Stoneskin Gargoyle: %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetParryChance() + 6 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(floor(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*0.04))))

    Iti arata advoidanceul total ingame.

    Miss

    Code:
    /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Chance to be missed: %.2f%%", 5 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)/4.91850*0.04))))

    Iti arata sansa "to be missed" ingame.

  13. Addons

ForteXorcist - un addon pentru disease track.
Omen - un addon pentru a vedea threatul(Threatmeter)
MagicRunes - un addon pentru runes track.



@Source: MmoChampion

Cam asta ar fi tot Thinking ... postati aici daca aveti intrebari.


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Post Posted: 13-03-2011, 12:29:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

intrebare dc nu ai bagat in improved blood presence care e baza e la dk blood tank sa ai self heal mare in frost presence ?
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pentru ca este useless in comparatie cu alte talente. cu specul acesta ai doar o abilitate de selfheal si anume DS(excluzand death pact care este valabil pentru orice spec). ia fa u socoteala... 10% din 5k heal cat e? 500 heal... deci cum spuneam, useless.

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Post Posted: 15-03-2011, 14:17:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nice!

Am de adaugat ca pt icc avoidance e degeaba, cele mai importante 2 stats sunt stamina si armura, pe picior de egalitate. De aceea ar trebui sa rearanjezi prioritatile de enchant. Tot ce e cu dodge e pretty much useless, go for stamina & armor all the way.

Nu sunt de acord cu socketul yellow, alege ceva cu stamina.
Umeri doar Greater Inscription of the Gladiator +30 Stamina +15 Resilience
Cloack doar Mighty Armor +225 Armor

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Post Posted: 15-03-2011, 14:21:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

havz0r wrote:

Nu sunt de acord cu socketul yellow, alege ceva cu stamina.
Umeri doar Greater Inscription of the Gladiator +30 Stamina +15 Resilience
Cloack doar Mighty Armor +225 Armor

ofofof... nu exista niciun yellow/green usefull cu stamina.
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Daca raidezi doar in ICC ignora tot ce voi scrie mai jos si foloseste doar Solid Majestic Zircon(eventual poti respecta socket colors doar unde primesti +12 Stamina Socket Bonus) deoarece nu este niciun Socket bonus care se merita odata ce ai Hellscream's Warsong/Strength of Wrynn.

cat despre shoulders enchant, este trecut si acesta acolo.

@La dk totul depinde de profilul pe care vrei sa te axezi ca tank. desigur icc inseamna stamina+mitigation all the way. dar daca mai raidezi si in togc/rs este foarte bine sa stackezi dodge/parry. de aici si toate variantele de enchants.


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frumos.
ai putea face unul si pt war tank -

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dak vrei un guide postezi aici http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Guide-Request-Topic-t68196.html
o sa incerc sa fac si pentru warr, doar sa gasesc surse "goodlike".


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Post Posted: 26-03-2011, 06:43:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

E gresit ... tare specu asta - -> deci :

- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49491&&name=subversion 3/3 nu ai ce face pe Tank cu asa ceva
- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49509&&name=scent-of-blood 3/3 iar gresit ... procul e destul de mare .. 2/3 e de ajuns
- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=50449&&name=bloody-vengeance usseles puncte aruncate in vant ...

Sa vedem 3 + 1 + 3 = OMG 7 puncte .... acum sa le folosim :

- incarca 3/3 https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49497&&name=spell-deflection ca doar esti tank ce draq ...
- niciodata nu e de ajuns heal intr-un raid asa ca un pic de ajutor nu strica mai ales ca poti sa faci un BIG heal
celelalte 4 punte punele pe Blood Tap si apoi pe improve https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=48985&&name=improved-rune-tap ... in orice caz e mai bun decat crit pe anumite spells mai ales ca pot sa faci ceva de genu :

#showtooltip Vampiric Blood
/cast !Vampiric Blood;
/cast Rune Tap

Eu mi-am dat 40k self heal o singura data cu rune tap ... mai bine decat death strike ..

- -) https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=61158&&name=blood-gorged Wtf -> cel mai indicat https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49572&&name=ravenous-dead + 2/3 pe https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49529&&name=sudden-doom ca doar e moka

In rest e ok ...
Btw Gj pt unholy dps ... foarte frumos tutorialul

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Learn ur wow srsly.

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Setemotion pe cuvant ca te-as sustine daca as sti sa joc bine cu DK-ul - si ti-as da si dreptate daca as stii mai multe dar din pacate sunt n00b si invat - pot doar sa spun ca guide facut de tine m-a ajutat extraordinar de mult de la 55 pana la 80, acum ramane sa ma gearui conform guide-ului si sa vedem rezultatul final.

Iti zic merci in numele tuturor celor care au citit acest guide si se folosesc de el sa ajunga mari "tanci" dar care nu se obosesc sa lase un reply scurt sa-si arate aprecierea sau sa dea un +rep -.

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http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight#,,10192 poate cineva sa mi dea un pm cu un link cu talentele din tank ca nu mi le arata de pe linku din ghid :\
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Setemotion wrote:
Learn ur wow srsly.

Set nam nimic cu tine dar sincer talentele alea .... nu in nici un caz refale cum a zis edmmond




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Post Posted: 28-04-2011, 08:54:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tutorialul acesta le intrece pe toate celelalte. Are tot ce vrei despre dk-u blood.
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edmmond wrote:
E gresit ... tare specu asta - -> deci :

- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49491&&name=subversion 3/3 nu ai ce face pe Tank cu asa ceva
- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49509&&name=scent-of-blood 3/3 iar gresit ... procul e destul de mare .. 2/3 e de ajuns
- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=50449&&name=bloody-vengeance usseles puncte aruncate in vant ...

Sa vedem 3 + 1 + 3 = OMG 7 puncte .... acum sa le folosim :

- incarca 3/3 https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49497&&name=spell-deflection ca doar esti tank ce draq ...
- niciodata nu e de ajuns heal intr-un raid asa ca un pic de ajutor nu strica mai ales ca poti sa faci un BIG heal
celelalte 4 punte punele pe Blood Tap si apoi pe improve https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=48985&&name=improved-rune-tap ... in orice caz e mai bun decat crit pe anumite spells.

cand o sa joci blood dk 1an(icc/rs/togc pe blizz) si sa nu pierzi nici macar o data aggroul(mai ales la moobi din RS) atunci sa spui tu ca specul meu e praf.
ok, hai sa va explic ca la nubi...
subversion => more crits => more passive heal => more threat, right?
scent of blood = always full rp. why? pai tot timpul trebuie sa ai in que rune strike. si credema, ajungi si cu 3/3 sa ramai fara rp uneori daca joci cu RS in que.
Bloody vengeance => 9% damage => more passive heal => more threat. right?

INTELEGETI ODATA CA DKUL CHIAR DACA ARE SELF HEAL NU TREBUIE SA JOACE LA SELF HEAL. Tocmai de aia s-a inventat HEALERUL. Ce e passive heal e ok. dar nu stai tu sa iti dai heal. aia e treaba healerului. ai 3 def cds, folosestele naiba cu cap si nu ai nici o problema.


Spell deflection. 25% chance sa iei 45% mai putin damage mi se pare useless. aratami un boss care da numai spells ca sa merite puncte aruncate in talentul asta? lady(frost bolt) si bcp(empowered shadow bolt).

DK BLOOD = Tank cu self passive healing
DK BLOOD =/= Healer :/


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