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Post Posted: 29-07-2017, 12:53:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I'm making this tread to point out some of the biggest problems in pvp right now and maybe pinpoint some classes that are overperforming or underperforming in pvp.
also I would like to give some suggestions of what should be done before the arena season starts.

1. Check the pvp templates.
RIght now the only class/spec that I know for sure that it has a wrong template is resto shaman.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Restoration-PvP-template-intellect-t476284.html
by my calculations it has ~4-5% more intelect than it should and that in pvp it's a lot.
When blizz hotfixed a class with a +- 5% primary template buff/nerf .. it would make a significant difference in how that class/spec would behave. FIXED

there sould be other classes also who have too much primary template.

2. Make the fix - if you drop trough the texture you will be instantly teleported in the middle of the arene.

3. Classes that are underperforming or overperforming.

#1. Fix demonology warlock.
As I said before demo is one of the strongest specs this patch and it's a shame it can't be played.
The most obvious bugs that I know off are:
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warlock-Demo-Call-Dreadstalkers-Demonic-empowerment-t478630.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warlock-Demo-Mastery-t462512.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warlock-Demo-Call-Dreadstalkers-Dreadbite-t475188.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/warlock-demonology-Summon-Darkglare-t463300.html
All of the demons HP while empowered should be fixed .. so that the artifact ability would work ok.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warlock-Demonology-Thal-kiel-s-Consumption-damage-t474938.html
FIXED


#2 The charge problem that doesn;t let you reach your target. I belive for warriors this bug can lose a game.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warrior-All-specs-Charge-t459392.html





#5 Feral damage with some abilities that are based on weapon damage. I have a feeling feral has a bigger autoattack damage than it should and that's why dmgs that scale off weapon damage are dealing way more dmg than they should while the ones that scale off attack power are working ok.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Druid-Feral-Shred-damage-vs-PvP-t469580.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Druid-Feral-brutal-slash-deals-too-much-damage-in-pvp-t478432.html
FIXED


#6. Rogue healing reduction bug . Assasination rogue has right now 25% healing reduction , 30% with master poisoner.
It should have 20% and 24% with master poisoner.
I believe that a 6% healing reduction on top of a ~ regular healing reduction makes a big difference in pvp.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Rogue-Assassination-Wound-poison-in-pvp-t477079.html
FIXED

#7. Bladestorm damage for Arms warrior.
Bladestorm shouldn't put single target pressure. But right now it does and I belive it's dealing ~40-50% more damage than it should.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warrior-Arms-Bladestorm-t476812.html
FIXED

#8. Shadow priest vampiric touch damage.
A few days ago a priest hit me for 110k vampiric touch noncrit in arena. That's not right..
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Priest-Shadow-Damage-in-pvp-t476733.html
probably all spriest damage was fixed thanks to the template adjustment


#9. I believe resto shamy and mw monk are slightly overperforming and so tha gap between them and holy pally and disc prist might be too big..
Resto shamy clearly has ~5% more intelect than it should https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Restoration-PvP-template-intellect-t476284.html
but I suspect mw monk might also have more intelect than it should.
if you have a screen with stats in pvp you should check it against the current stats on the server.
I have at 869 ilvl ~27400 intelect in pvp.
FIXED


#10. Enhancement shamy damage. This is a work in progress cause I can't pinpoit the problem but everyone that has played against this spec understands that something is not right here.
Some say Stormbringer procs too much .. others that forked lightning and ride the lightning procs too much or deals too much damage..
I will do some tests in the following days.
Yeah.. it seems that forked lightning might be doing too much damage
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5583159.html
I think https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=204357 (wowhead link) has the same problem..
FIXED



also https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-All-Will-Serve-Skulker-Shot-t478808.html might be a big thing for unholy cause they kinda have to play All will serve in pvp cause their pet takes a lot of damage from corpse shield and they have to respawn it quite often. FIXED

#12 https://forum.wow-freakz.com/General-casting-while-in-stealth-or-invisibility-t467436.html FIXED

#13 Unh DK crypt fever ICD https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-Unholy-PvP-Crypt-Fever-ICD-t480510.html
seems like it's too low
should be 1 sec
FIXED

#14 Demon hunter fel barrage damage is too high
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/demon-hunter-havoc-fel-barrage-damage-in-pvp-t480791.html
FIXED


#15 https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Demon-Hunter-Glide-t476724.html FIXED

#16 . Relics should drop from pvp. And I think they should also drop from the 10 wins arena quests and can get ilvl increase from titanforged, FIXED


#17. Enhancement boulderfist damage https://forum.wow-freakz.com/shaman-enhancement-Boulderfist-deals-too-much-damage-in-pvp-t480377.html FIXED

#18 Ride the lightning damage. This spell has the same problem forked lightning had.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/shaman-enhancement-Ride-the-lightning-damage-t479722.html FIXED

#19 Fury warrior pvp template -s strength
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warrior-Fury-PvP-template-strength-t484058.html
FIXED


I see that some classes seem weak and are underrepresented but I don't know much about them.
So maybe if someone can bring additional feedback regarding :
hunter (sv, bm, mm) - if something cripples the damage too much?
fire mages - this spec should be quite strong in this patch but right now it seems kinda weak.
disc priests





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Post Posted: 29-07-2017, 13:17:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

You can also add the unholy dks bugs @all will serve & Dark transformation
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-All-Will-Serve-Skulker-Shot-t478808.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-Unholy-Dark-Transformation-t473531.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-Unholy-Pet-Related-Bugs-t462652.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-knight-Unholy-All-Will-Serve-t461529.html



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Post Posted: 29-07-2017, 20:32:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

As for DH:

Negative:

-> https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Demon-Hunter-Talents-FelBlade-t459584.html

Positive:

-> https://forum.wow-freakz.com/demon-hunter-havoc-fel-barrage-damage-in-pvp-t480791.html

As for Elem Sham:

Negative:

-> https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Elemental-Power-of-the-Maelstrom-t484402.html
-> https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Elemental-Fury-of-the-storms-t483502.html


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Post Posted: 01-08-2017, 12:41:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@quicksand we cant answer your post because the topic is on pending bugs and closed https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-enhancement-Forked-lightning-t479139.html
Also the dmg looks much better

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I am preeeeetty sure that the damage should be split between targets, so I'll flag the spell so that it splits the damage

How does it look when damage is split between targets: http://imgur.com/a/cRMHw

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Post Posted: 01-08-2017, 16:44:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ozzydany wrote:
@quicksand we cant answer your post because the topic is on pending bugs and closed https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-enhancement-Forked-lightning-t479139.html
Also the dmg looks much better

Quote:
I am preeeeetty sure that the damage should be split between targets, so I'll flag the spell so that it splits the damage

How does it look when damage is split between targets: http://imgur.com/a/cRMHw


Yea.

And to mention for @Quicksand, that dmg in SS, I had checked my combat log and Forked did numbers like 185k crit or 85k non crit to one single target showed me. This was before your changes.


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@quicksand try to fix those 2 on feral

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Druid-Feral-brutal-slash-deals-too-much-damage-in-pvp-t478432.html (90% of ferals plays with this crap which does 300k+ non crit and goes to 600k crit with 3 charges...)
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Druid-Feral-Shred-damage-vs-PvP-t469580.html

I'm sick of every shit feral who don't know how they do dmg...

And this shit also

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warrior-Arms-Bladestorm-t476812.html

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updated with :

13 Unh DK crypt fever ICD https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-Unholy-PvP-Crypt-Fever-ICD-t480510.html
seems like it's too low
should be 1 sec

#14 Demon hunter fel barrage damage is too high
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/demon-hunter-havoc-fel-barrage-damage-in-pvp-t480791.html



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#16 . Relics should drop from pvp. And I think they should also drop from the 10 wins arena quests and can get ilvl increase from titanforged,

#17. Enhancement boulderfist damage https://forum.wow-freakz.com/shaman-enhancement-Boulderfist-deals-too-much-damage-in-pvp-t480377.html

#18 Ride the lightning damage. This spell has the same problem forked lightning had.
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/shaman-enhancement-Ride-the-lightning-damage-t479722.html



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Post Posted: 17-08-2017, 01:19:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Please concentrate/fix Demonology Spec because Warlock is totally unplayable (all 3 specs) and it topped the patch on retail



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Post Posted: 17-08-2017, 09:15:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Thats true. Relics should drop from both 10 wins and random drops and theta should be titanforged/warforged


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Post Posted: 22-08-2017, 08:38:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Seems like only bm hunters have implemented pvp templates, mb im wrong and in future ill see huge dmg from bm, but now all classes do more dmg


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Post Posted: 22-08-2017, 09:26:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Stalk wrote:
Seems like only bm hunters have implemented pvp templates, mb im wrong and in future ill see huge dmg from bm, but now all classes do more dmg


All classes have pvp template active in pvp instance...
Be constructive, don't put a phrase that BM is shit or whatever else, you see the purpose of the topic, don't go off-topic


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Stalk wrote:
Seems like only bm hunters have implemented pvp templates, mb im wrong and in future ill see huge dmg from bm, but now all classes do more dmg


well... bm was shit even on blizz. surv is the way to go @pvp scenarios this patch



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https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Warlock-Demonology-Thal-Kiels-Consumption-Artefact-Spell-t484373.html



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i got hit in a bg(NO Berserk) by a Survival hunter with Butchery ( https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=212436&&name=butchery ) really hard (like brutal Slash) for 371k non crit...it happened some time ago but i got disconnected and lost the log and the recount data before i could get a screenshot
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