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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 20:00:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/cata_spells.php?spell=49206
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: IN ACEST TOPIC http://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-DK-Gargoyle-strike-t108036.html SOKERU A FOST DEZINFORMAT SI FIXUL A FOST FACUT PE VALORILE VECHI SI PE DOVEZILE ADUSE DE NISTE AMATORI (SCUZE DAR ASA ESTE)
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damage micsorat pentru ca formula este calculata cu BASE+ 0.33X AP (FORMULA INCORECTA PENTRU CA SPELUL NU ARE BASE DAMAGE - DACA AR FI AVUT BASE DAMAGE SCRIA IN TOOLTIPUL SAU PE WOWHEAD)
ei au calculat cu base damage pt.ca au testat spelul cu un caracter dezbracat de lvl 85 ( L0L CATA STIINTA ) e logic orice caracter dezbracat la lvl 85 mai ales dk are base strenght si ap.
uitati dovada epica: http://imageshack.us/f/822/gargoyle.jpg/
logic ca ala la lvl 85 dezbracat tot are cateva sute ap -)
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Valoarea corecta a spelului este:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=59828/ap-spell-damage-how-much
efectiv ia 0.4 din ap-ul charului si atat ca nature damage.

poza facuta azi : http://i.imgur.com/Loy3q.jpg

ap 16537
https://www.wow-freakz.com/cata_spells.php?spell=49206 (wowhead link) 0.4 din ap = 6614.8 damage

eu dau 5947 (si aici se pierde 700 damage pe hit + nu exista contributia de la haste)

daca as folosi formula lor de aici
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-DK-Gargoyle-strike-t108036.html
adica (572+ 0.333 * ap = x) care oricum e gresita
nici asa nu-mi iese damage-ul

572 + 0.333 x 16537 = 6078.821 damage

eu dau 5947 http://i.imgur.com/Loy3q.jpg

deci nici macar formula asta gresita nu merge bine
alt fix smeker facut haotic si fara dovezi efectiv s-a trezit dk-ul ala dupa ce a visat seara o formula si a navalit pe forum fara nici o dovada fara nimic
el a gasit aici un post vechi : http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_power_coefficient
unde wowwiki este out of date pt.cataclysm - CARE ESTE GRESIT

pt.cata avem 0.4 din ap:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=59828/ap-spell-damage-how-much

nu mai zic ca https://www.wow-freakz.com/cata_spells.php?spell=51160 (wowhead link) 8% spell damage de la acest talent nu functioneaza pt. gargoyle strike damage

comparativ cu
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Ghoul-damage-Master-of-Ghouls-t125873.html
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Festering-Strike-damage-t126109.html
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Scourge-Strike-damage-t126110.html

gargoyle strike este "pistol cu apa" chiar daca nu da damage-ul corect macar da ceva fata de alte abilitati care NU MAI ZIC NIMIC ca oricum in afara de mine nu am vazut unholy pe server
sa speram ca-si mai arunca sokeru ochii pe aici si mai repara ceva si la acest spec unholy care momentan pe server este inexistent (culmea este singurul spec viabil pt.pvp pe retail)

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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 21:43:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+1 da damage prea putin, daca stam sa ne gandim putin, eu cu 10k ap gargoilul da 3k damage si aproape niciodata nu e critical, deci un spell de ultimul rank din talente da 3k damage .... in wotlk dadea 3.6-4k
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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 21:50:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

are dreptate nu ai cum sa dai 3k pe cata da petul de la priest disciplin 11k la crit si 6-7k normal dmg si este healr


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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 22:00:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bendover wrote:
are dreptate nu ai cum sa dai 3k pe cata da petul de la priest disciplin 11k la crit si 6-7k normal dmg si este healr


Bend Shadowfiendul este de burst pe cata este normal sa dea cat da. Daca te uiti de la 4.0.6 pana la 4.2 (nu stiu 4.3) e dat pt burst in rotatie.Cine nu il da e nabet.Revenind e normal sa dea atat nush la Dk cat ar trebui.





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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 22:12:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

boscodel faza sta in felul urmator nici eu nu stiu cat trebuie sa dea goy de la dk ,dar faceam comparatia cu petul la un healr ca nu benficeaza de atatea stats ca la un dps -


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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 22:22:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

si ca sa ne lamurim si mai bine se poate vedea in acest film GUIDE DE pve dps unholy facut in 4.0.6 si postat de atunci pe net

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vlF3HR5SUoM:



la inceputul filmului se vad stats-urile charului 9k + ap
cand scoate gargoylu da trinket + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49016 (wowhead link) pentru haste dar oricum nu trece de 12k ap si totusi gargoyle-ul loveste cu 6700-7000 damage

eu la 16k + ap dau 5900 cu gargoyle-ul http://i.imgur.com/Loy3q.jpg

e nature damage deci mastery nu conteaza -

oricum repet chiar daca este 31 talent acest spell fara celelalte buguri uriase nu face minuni in pvp/pve la unholy spec

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Ghoul-damage-Master-of-Ghouls-t125873.html - 50% din damage-ul petului inexistent + anumite abilitati care nu merg
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Festering-Strike-damage-t126109.html - FESTERING STRIKE DAMAGE REDUS CU 40%
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/dk-4.0.6-Scourge-Strike-damage-t126110.html - SCOURGE STRIKE DAMAGE REDUS CU 50% + CALCULAT GRESIT CU TALENT LA 36% IN LOC DE 45%

sa nu uitam scourge strike este precum un mortal strike la warrior arms - nu ar fi frumos sa dai jumatate de damage ? NU ?
sper sa ai timp si rabdare sa repari cate ceva la acest spec de dk pentru ca nu exista UNHOLY DK PE SERVER datorita acestor nenumarate probleme prefera toti sa joace blood sau frost.

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Post Posted: 07-01-2012, 23:14:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

seriously... tu macar ai citit ce scrie in linkul ala?

"* Gargoyle Strike is the Gargoyle's only ability, which it spams continuously until it gets killed or the summon duration ends. The spell's base damage at level 80 appears to be 150, assuming the formula is D = B + (C × AP) where C is the AP coefficient."

Damage = Base + (Coeff x Ap)

deci... ce ziceai de base damage? ce ziceai de formula?

cat despre coeff:

[Gargoyle Strike] 33.3%(Coeff) 3.1.0(Patch Last Tested)
Linkul tau imi zice cat era coeff inainte de 3.1.0; By ZeroXposur on 2008/12/14 at 11:07 AM (Patch 3.0.3)

in concluzie...

twlsted wrote:
SOKERU A FOST DEZINFORMAT SI FIXUL A FOST FACUT PE VALORILE VECHI SI PE DOVEZILE ADUSE DE NISTE AMATORI (SCUZE DAR ASA ESTE)

care e amatorul... eu(da, eu am testat cu orion si am ajuns la formula aia) sau tu?


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Post Posted: 08-01-2012, 06:17:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sunt amator, probabil, nu te contrazic si atunci amatorul din mine cand vede asta

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vlF3HR5SUoM:



si compara cu asta http://i.imgur.com/Loy3q.jpg

nu incepe sa-si puna intrebari de "amator" ?
dc eu dau jumatate din damage pe gargoyle si ala cu ap mai mic da dublu ?
acelasi patch acelasi spec acelasi talent diferenta damage la jumatate pe freakz si cu ap mult mai mare.

oricum daca citesti postul meu cu atentie nici cu formula voastra + fixul facut nu dau damage-ul care trebuie , e mai mic si oricum este gresit !
in primul rand wowwiki este out of date pentru cataclysm
nici draq nu stie ce coeficient are gargoyl strike pe cataclysm - putem doar aproxima

cum iti explici ca un dk unholy cu gear in lk dadea cu gargoylu 3-4k si acum pe cataclysm un dk cu 11k ap da 3k pe gargoyle strike ?

nu zic poate gresesc si eu dar uite-te in film , ala are 9.k ap + trinket sa zicem ca face 13000 ap si gargoylu lui da cu 6900- 7000

e logic ca ceva undeva nu e bine pt ca eu la aproape 16k ap nu trec de 5900 damage

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Post Posted: 08-01-2012, 11:30:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

AP lui : 9749
AP horn: 1198
AP Trinket: 1605
AP rune: 15%
El avea 14434AP in momentu in care a summonat gargoyle si dadea 6700. 14424/6700=2.15
Eu fac 19000AP full procs, inseamna ca ar trebui sa dau 8837... 19000/ 2.15=8837



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Post Posted: 09-01-2012, 19:31:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

retail



freakz




merge bine.


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