[FIXED] Legendary Meta Gems @ PvP Environments

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The pvp content is already in 5.4 with the gear,spells and pvp base resil.
" Season 14 [Grievous Gladiator] September 17, 2013 February 18, 2014 22 weeks Began one week after patch 5.4.0
Ended with launch of patch 5.4.7 "

[DeParanoia]

^ Source: http://wow.gamepedia.com/PvP_season

[norbert.pls]

Among other things, copying my reply from a post that has been ignored:
Another issue there is with purging the meta proc is with the one for dps https://armory.freakz.ro/item/95346 , when the stacks come up. I looked for any type of proof for hours, but couldn't find any that says HOW the proc is dispellable from the target. And what I mean by this is: the procs stack up, and whenever I purge, for example, I have to purge the paladin's Word of Glory off of a warrior, but before that I need to go through 4 stacks of Capacitance which is 40k mana plus word of glory, and another possible procs of capacitance which takes me up to wasting 60-70k mana on purging one simple HoT.
I think that purge or dispel magic or mass dispel or whatever, should remove all stacks of Capacitance from the target at once, because that gives a huge advantage to players in terms of survivability, and downscales comps that have healers which can remove buffs.
I will continously look for proof and hopefully I will be able to find SOMETHING.

Electric Warlock Acid Witch
Legion Guide - Destruction Warlock in PVE
Legion Guide - Restoration Shaman in PVE

[truepower]

norbert.pls wrote:

Among other things, copying my reply from a post that has been ignored: Another issue there is with purging the meta proc is with the one for dps https://armory.freakz.ro/item/95346 , when the stacks come up. I looked for any type of proof for hours, but couldn't find any that says HOW the proc is dispellable from the target. And what I mean by this is: the procs stack up, and whenever I purge, for example, I have to purge the paladin's Word of Glory off of a warrior, but before that I need to go through 4 stacks of Capacitance which is 40k mana plus word of glory, and another possible procs of capacitance which takes me up to wasting 60-70k mana on purging one simple HoT. I think that purge or dispel magic or mass dispel or whatever, should remove all stacks of Capacitance from the target at once, because that gives a huge advantage to players in terms of survivability, and downscales comps that have healers which can remove buffs. I will continously look for proof and hopefully I will be able to find SOMETHING.

You want purge to remove all the stacks just because you think is better? what about life bloom for example , can you dispel all 3 stacks at once?

[norbert.pls]

Read again, I never said that I think it's better. I clearly specified a context.
And your analogy is nonsense. As long as you can instantly terminate the 20% bonus haste of the casters' meta, I don't see how the significant amount of damage output from capacitance, should not be as easily prevented as the other.
Fyi, it is not easy to find a video that contains a shaman actually purging capacitance off of a player. I'm still searching to prove whether I am right or wrong about it.

Electric Warlock Acid Witch
Legion Guide - Destruction Warlock in PVE
Legion Guide - Restoration Shaman in PVE

[truepower]

^ Did you read what you just said?

[norbert.pls]

truepower wrote:

^ Did you read what you just said?

Yes, did You?

Electric Warlock Acid Witch
Legion Guide - Destruction Warlock in PVE
Legion Guide - Restoration Shaman in PVE

[Shocker]

Deleted all stupid offtopics and banned all hater posters. stop polluting this topic.
I already said it for too many times: we're in <5.4 phase (with grievous because you guys qq'ed about Tyrannical, but that doesn't mean we will apply 5.4 changes/etc).

Shocker wrote:

Please, just stop it with "disable the gems / nerf them" and actually start looking for anything that can give us a clue on how much the proc chance should be lowered in PvP. There were 2-3 posts about this only but nothing concrete.

^this is the middle ground we will hopefully implement

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[Foxed]

I found someone saying that in pvp zones he got 1 stack from Capacitive Primal Diamond around 15 sec.So let's say it has 4 ppm from 15*class modifier(he's m:Marksmanship: 1.594).So only 4 ppm from 24 this means 16.6% from the proc chance.I do't think it is like this but this might be a solution or a starting point for a reduce chance formula.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1367797-Legendary-meta-in-pvp ->
Confirmed does not proc as often in instanced pvp. It was around 5% of my damage on the target dummies as marksmanship and it was 1.5% in a random bg. On a dummy it would increase a stack after 2-3 seconds, never more than 5, in pvp it wouldnt go up a stack for up to 15 seconds at times, definitely not worth it.

[bordy]

From subjective point of view, I believe they ruin fair pvp. Especially now that Shocker has put so much effort into making Freakz a great, mostly bug-free and pretty much the best MoP server out there. But why believe me, try asking top 50 players on pvp ladder, I'm sure majority will agree - yes including those with legendary meta gems.

Objectively, I don't find the argument that we're having 5.3 content valid at all, since we're talking about fixes in patches and not actual in-game content. As people said before, legendary meta gems were not usable in 5.3 pvp, due to tyrannical having too low ilvl and pve items downscaling. Meaning they were usable only in between patches 5.4.0 and 5.4.2 where it was (as Blizz said) fixed. So what that means is, using legendary meta gems in pvp was not a feature of 5.3, but rather a bug of 5.4.0.

We're playing on patch 5.4.8, therefore we should have all bugs/fixes/spell changes that this patch had, bu 5.3 content. Meaning pve raids/dungeons and pvp gear (it was decided we'll have 5.4 pvp content though, hence this issue).

If you still insist on 5.3 content argument, might as well undo all those changes http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/5-4-0

[Scott]

Well if you look at current top 50 2vs2 ladder there are just 10 players without legendary meta gem, so 80% of players have them.
Since everyone has them, they balance themselves.

[Sumoo]

Scott wrote:

Well if you look at current top 50 2vs2 ladder there are just 10 players without legendary meta gem, so 80% of players have them. Since everyone has them, they balance themselves.

And god knows how many more of non donors would be in top 50 if they had gems. I don't understand your logic, its nowhere close to balanced. If a Resto shaman/warrior play against equally skilled mirror comp, team with meta gems will win every time. #paytowin

[Shocker]

Out of curiosity, if we were to spend(waste) time fixing&implementing the legendary quest line for the gems, would you guys still continue with the "omg disable gems" drama?

Or this would become valid and everyone will be happy:

Scott wrote:

Since everyone has them, they balance themselves.

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[Sumoo]

Or just make them useless in PvP and everyone is happy.

[Scott]

Sumoo wrote:

Or just make them useless in PvP and everyone is happy.

No, not eveyone will be happy, in fact us who donate for the gem will be very angry.

Posturi unite automat, 21-02-2016, 18:24:32

Shocker wrote:

Out of curiosity, if we were to spend(waste) time fixing&implementing the legendary quest line for the gems, would you guys still continue with the "omg disable gems" drama? Or this would become valid and everyone will be happy: Scott wrote: Since everyone has them, they balance themselves.

This will not be a waste because it will give us something else to do (for pve-ers), also people who can not afford to pay can have them (pve and pvp) and also will make the server unique because other mop servers are shit and dont have legendary quest lines.