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[FIXED] [Death Knight] [Unholy] Tak'theritrix's Shoulderpads and Dark Arbiter interaction
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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 10:01:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

So you managed to sim those high numbers without Unholy Str and Concordance? Well doesnt matter in normal cases you wont see them on Retail let alone here. So how many DC casts?

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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 10:05:12 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

That's not what I was saying. But you kept saying he hit for 7.2m with 51k str which is not really possible. I already closed that log where I managed to crit for that much, trying to recreate it, I'll let you know
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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 10:06:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

No I mean't that his base Str was less than yours. I thought u were going to at it with Unholy Str and Concordance. But okay miscommunication on our part.

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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 10:17:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I was simming the default T20H profile for unholy, which has less str than yours, by far. T20H assumes 926 ilvl and the following gear: https://imgur.com/a/I5SSm4t

I cannot go higher than 6.5M crit sadly, I don't know how did I manage with this gear yday. I'll try T20M, that has exactly 939 avg: https://imgur.com/a/t9BxCIF

Update @ 10-04-2019, 11:17:42

I changed to T20M, I got a 7299316 crit there with the gear above. I'll paste here soon the breakdown on how that became possible

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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 10:43:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Okay thanks. But I was wondering about your DPS test on dummy, I was wondering how many DCs you got in there for it to hit so much.

Update @ 10-04-2019, 11:43:33

And you mentioned Shadow Empowerment being 20% earlier on somewhere what is that? The least you can get is 45% (since DC is 45 RP and DS is 45 RP aswell, counting if they are free too).


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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 11:22:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

21.793 Death_Knight_Unholy_T20M_valkyr_battlemaiden valkyr_strike Fluffy_Pillow: snapshot_flags={ AP|CRIT|VERS|MUL_DA|MUL_PER|MUL_PET|TGT_CRIT|TGT_MUL_DA } update_flags={ AP|CRIT|VERS|MUL_DA|MUL_PET|TGT_CRIT|TGT_MUL_DA|TGT_MUL_TA } result=crit type=direct_damage proc_type=HarmfulSpell exec_proc_type=Impact impact_proc_type=CritAmount n_targets=1 chain_target=0 original_x=0 original_y=0 raw_amount=3.64966e+06 total_amount=7.29932e+06 mitigated_amount=7.29932e+06 absorbed_amount=7.29932e+06 actual_amount=7.29932e+06 only_blocked_damage=0 self_absorbed_damage=0 ap=77193 sp=0 haste=0 crit=0.2253 tgt_crit=0 versatility=1.091 da_mul=8.33 ta_mul=1 per_mul=1 pet_mul=2.365 tgt_da_mul=1 tgt_ta_mul=1 tgt_mitg_da_mul=1 tgt_mitg_ta_mul=1 target_armor=0
21.793 Death_Knight_Unholy_T20M_valkyr_battlemaiden valkyr_strike hits Fluffy_Pillow for 7299316 shadow damage (crit)

This time he has 77193 AP (https://imgur.com/a/gCuh5v4):
(30278 from gear + 10232 base @ lvl 110 + 10900 from concordance rank 24 + 2500 prolonged + 325 augment + 1300 flask + 304.77 * 10 cradle of anguish) * 1.255 (15% unholy str with rank 7 https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=191488&&name=the-darkest-crusade) * 1.05 (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=86536&&name=plate-specialization) =

58582.7 * 1.255 * 1.05 = 77197

da_mul = 8.33 => 8.33 / 1.4 (shoulders) = 5.95 => 495% bonus from Death Coils => 11 casts

pet_mul = 1.1*1.05*1.05*1.9504(mastery) = 2.365

Total damage = 77197 * 2.2(coeff) * 8.33 * 2.365 * 1.091(vers) = 3650261
Crit: 7300523 damage.

Argue with this please

Update @ 10-04-2019, 12:22:33

For the full log, see here: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/matukaa/0301eebc4a9674026d8832adbd6c1f2a/raw/3da1128ac8b734134e17fd0d671a30f7fb8214e6/gistfile1.txt

Search for "7299316" to see the damage instance.



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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 11:38:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Hang on a second, please explain what this 8.33 multiplier is, is it the shadow empowerment?

Is it 4.95 from 11 death coils right?

4.95 + 1 from somewhere i dont know? which is 5.95

And then you multiply it with shoulder buff so its 5.95*1.4 = 8.33? So then its supposed to multiply the ratio coversion for runic power to dmg increase too? Does it already work like this on live server? Maybe my wording is incorrect but what im saying is shoulders should also multiply the final shadow empowerment amount by 40%



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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 11:45:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

so...

da_multiplier = Damage Amplify Multiplier

Let's assume you have only one stack of shadow empowerment, da_multiplier would be 1 * (1 + 0.4) * (1 + 0.45) (40% from shoulders, 45% from shadow empowerment): 2.03

Same logic for 8.33: 1 * (1 + 0.4) * (1 + 4.95) = 1.4 * 5.95 = 8.33

And yes, for the 10th time: it does work like that on our server, because everything is multiplicative...

It's completely irrelevant if you multiply the RP conversion with 1.4 or you multiply the final result...

A * B * C = (A * B) * C = A * C * B

Or any form that you want. multiplicative operations are interchangable



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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 11:53:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Are the shoulders not supposed to increase the coefficient of the base damage? The 220% of dk's ap

If that is also not the case and they shouldnt, then the only possible reason for dks not hitting retail average dark arbiter numbers might be the fact that they get less sudden doom procs? because of this?

I mean did you cast those 11 death coils with a normal rotation like waiting for procs and etc?



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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 12:17:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

All the data you see there is NOT ME, it's a SIMC simulation. And as you can see (and as I proved a couple of times now): the 40% from the shoulder does NOT double dip. It does not increase RP conversion AND base damage.

Please read https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5886093.html again very carefully...

Update @ 10-04-2019, 13:17:18

I will recreate everything later exactly as it was in the SIMC simulation (gear, stats, pots, everything), and check if I can reach the same numbers. If I can reach the same numbers on our server, then I don't know what else I can do.

If UF does indeed increase Sudden Doom RPPM, then yes, it might be cause

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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 12:18:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok then, put this on hold and then let dks check arbiter damage after this report gets fixed?
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Post Posted: 10-04-2019, 12:18:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I guess
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Post Posted: 11-04-2019, 08:35:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

CyberKing wrote:
No he prepotted. Prepot goes into that base Str because it is your Str before going into combat.

HOW ABOUT THIS ? https://imgur.com/a/YTIjNxo

957 ILVL 57 TRAITS 15 CRIT 17%HASTE 137 % MASTERY and 2, 66 versatility @ 46478 base strength and full proc @ 76890 strenght no pots no flask

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7eBbxmcxRlw:

.be

Update @ 11-04-2019, 09:35:07

blizzard

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lM68Yc8gJho:




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Post Posted: 11-04-2019, 09:19:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

There is nothing to say. If what Quicksand said is applied then everything is working correctly. Even tho you cant reach those numbers on Freakz, only thing that may be left is the Unholy Frenzy bug and thats it. I really cant think of anything else if everything is applied to Live.

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Post Posted: 12-04-2019, 02:27:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

zbamm the video of retail u possted is inacruate cause its 7.3 and its 3rd boss of Arcway wich gives tons of hast buff,

but i can agree on something DA isnt workin proprely or is and sudden doom procs arnt enhanced by Unholy frenzi



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