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Post Posted: 09-08-2019, 00:14:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bug description: Fortified, Raging affixes shouldn't present on any boss encounter mob. These affixes should only present on the trash mobs of the dungeon which gives %, currently many boss adds and somewhere bosses itselves have this on them which makes them more challenging than with tyrannical and creates completely unintended walls if paired with raging.

Some example:

-LK: Opera: Beautiful and Beast: all buffed but Cogglestion
-LK: Opera: Wikket: Elfyra buffed also, they should have the same HP but like that Elfyra has way more and deals way more dmg too, winged assistants also
-LK: Opera: Westfall: Both boss's adds are buffed + murlock boss also buffed(this means that tyrannical is not working on it while it should, its boss enemy)
-LK: Moroes: Dinner guests buffed, this is in general very annyoing cause the point is to burn down adds before boss makes them immune to ccs, but raging makes them immune anyway+ they get fortified too so you cant really burst them fast enough to prevent an empowered arms cast.
-LK: Midnight buffed.
-UK: Curator: Volatile energies are buffed.
-UK: Shade: Guardian's images are buffed.
-CoEN: Domatrax: Fel portal guardians and adds summed by these are buffed
-CoEN: Mephistroth: Shadows of Mephistroth adds are all buffed
-EoA: Serpentix: its heads are also buffed
-BRH: Lord Kur"talos Ravencrest also buffed
-BRH: Illysanna Ravencrest: arcanist and vanguard adds are buffed
-MoS: Helya: Destructor Tentacles are buffed
-MoS: Harbaron: Shackled Servitor buffed
-VotW: Inquisitor Tormentorum: all prison adds(with raging fortified they are ultimate fun unless you have aoe nuke team)
-HoV: Fenryr: it has 2 versions, first is from 100% to 60% so rageing cannot occur on this but fortified is visible so its handled as trash rather than boss(this is very notice able when it does way more dmg in this phase than in the next also it has way more hp), the 60% to 0% verison which spawns to the cave handled correctly and only tyrannical is on it(on fortified key its just odd how low his dmg is after the first phase). (this means that tyrannical is not working on the 100-60% version while it should, its boss enemy)

For fortified the most clear one is LK: Opera: Wikket, they should have the same hp, but elfyra is buffed with fortified while other boss is not or HoV: Fenryr one. Considering raging says non boss enemies are affected but according to videos boss encounter enemies are exclusions I belive fortified is the same when its says non boss enemies are affected.

https://www.wowhead.com/lower-karazhan-mythic-keystone-guide#affix-details-fortified-10 Also talks about only trash mobs, nothing about boss adds or mini bosses, if it would really affect those too I am sure they would mention it since that would mean you must always focus mini bosses and other boss encounter minions that you would otherwise not even notice on tyranical. (exmaple: moroes dinner guests or beautiful and beast mini bosses or westfall story adds(very cute with raging fortified))

Some proofs: (fortified is a bit hard to prove via videos, since they are not shown so clearly like raging, so now just regarding raging affix)
-VotW: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rE47MNwQUFo:

(7:58 -prison add, u can see no raging at all; 3:24 - a normal % giving trash mobs, u can see affix is working on them)
-EoA: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAOk0HsMMCs:

(12:45 -red serpentix add, no raging can be seens as debuff; 17:12 -a blue giant, raging present)
-BRH: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_k-KdpVEJHM:

(34:18 -no raging on ravencrest; 27:53- affix can be seen on trash mob)
-LK: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tzske0AAh9E:

(3:56 -westfall story adds has no raging on them, neither bosses; 1:58 normal mob has; 17:13 -a dinner guest, no raging; 28:57 -midnight, only natural enrage is present, affix is not)
-UK: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dmJXawXAl6k:

(2:29 -curator's volatile adds, no raging affix; 4:56 -the mini boss before shade has raging)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=48tdI7HpdjE:

(5:51 -shade's image adds, no raging affix)
-CoEN: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LZlrjnMpOq4:

(16:18 -eye mini boss, raging visual is there; 25:14 -portal has no buff; 27:00 -no raging on spawned mobs)
-MoS: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WDaW-woW9wQ:

(10:50 -servitor has no raging; 9:24 - raging on a normal % giver mob; 17:36 -tentacles also without raging)



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Post Posted: 04-10-2019, 21:30:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Several examples/proofs for the fortified/tyrannical problem:
(I know that it says they have bursting too yet they dont have so fortified would be also questionable but the best proof is to try a tyrannical 15 and a fortified 15 (with a 910 team so you surely wont over gear it so much you could burst it without noticing anything) and see which one was harder regarding dmg dealt by the entire boss encounter, youll notice fortified one is way worse than tyrannical in terms of dmg taken)
-LK: wikket: https://imgur.com/a/M30nKMQ (fortified) ; on tyrannical galindre has only tyrannical buff, elyfra should also have since they share hp
-LK: beautiful: https://imgur.com/a/cQlIXvA
-LK: moroes: https://imgur.com/a/za0eXqv
-LK: Westfall: https://imgur.com/a/sMDsz1c
-HoV: Fenryr: https://imgur.com/a/wx0YewT (fortified) ; https://imgur.com/a/YCmBXa7 (tyrannical)
-EoA: Serpentrix: https://imgur.com/a/C5iT3c2
-VotW: Inquisitor: https://imgur.com/a/wDhdNHq

Several examples for the raging affix's misbehaviour on freakz:
-HoV: Odyn: https://imgur.com/a/YLDkMLh
-BRH: Kur'talos Ravencrest: https://imgur.com/a/ET6uH1p
-BRH: Illysanna Ravencrest: https://imgur.com/a/YyWZR0E
-LK: Westfall: https://imgur.com/a/ZOuUpxN ; https://imgur.com/a/PGHzaMv
-LK: Moroes: https://imgur.com/a/hbOGxp9
-LK: Beautiful: https://imgur.com/a/El6Ssyo
-VotW: Inquisitor: https://imgur.com/a/PObNDos
-CoEN: Domatrax: https://imgur.com/a/qGpMXsF
-NL: Dargrul: https://imgur.com/a/6FrnU0w
-EoA: Serpentrix: https://imgur.com/a/jTsgHB2



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Post Posted: 03-01-2020, 19:47:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I noticed this kind of bug in Karazan. Opera Hall bosses get the affixes and it made undefeatable.
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/345412X

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Post Posted: 04-01-2020, 00:28:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Great post, so complet yet no mod gives an answer -

These bugs are somewhat manageable in mainstream dungeons, but make impossible to complete CoEN and Karazan with certain combinations, not even with an overgeared party. I hope it gets fixed as these two dungeon have very good loots, but no one dares to try them.

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Post Posted: 07-01-2020, 17:58:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I just did m16 votw and the adds on bosses hit super hard, on inquisitor and ashgolem
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Post Posted: 07-01-2020, 18:03:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Same goes for Court of Stars 2nd boss, Talixae Flamewreath. The imps spawning there are basically one shotting entire parties if raging kicks in.

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Post Posted: 08-01-2020, 16:11:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Very good post, great job Grazzia, we hope the devs will do something.
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Post Posted: 09-01-2020, 14:15:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Great job, let's hope for a fix till the next raging-forti week.
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