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Post Posted: 04-05-2013, 16:46:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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stiu sharmi stai linistit, si mi-am dat seama si ca zohl se refrerea la strict la valori, nu la structura topului, ce nu si-a dat el seama e ca roshkatul este offspec enha, therefor un undergeard si probabil underachiever (nu e o jignire, e ceva normal pentru un offspec), deci daca el in situatia aia e pe primul loc, e clar ca dps-ul pe server este incontestabil mult mai mare decat apare in recountu ala


Chestia este ca enha fata de alte clase de dps,nu beneficeaza foarte mult din gear cuum beneficeaza alte clase precum rogue,warr etc. Un shaman enha doar hitcapped si cu expertise scoate aproape la fel de mult cat un shaman enha cu gear calumea .

Oricum Zohll shamanul merge foarte calumea acuma fata de cum mergea la inceputul patch-ului de nu putea fi jucat .Mai sunt de fixat 2 chestii .Cand un paladin da Might ,iti scoate Unleashed rage .Inteleg OK nu se mai suprapun buff-urile .Dar acel talent da shamanului si expertise mult.Si cand un pala da might,ii scoate expertise-ul shamanului..si nu e deloc corect. Si mai este nasol cu stack-urile care se reseteaza daca scoti totemul....In rest e ok .





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Post Posted: 04-05-2013, 17:31:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

HrN wrote:
stiu sharmi stai linistit, si mi-am dat seama si ca zohl se refrerea la strict la valori, nu la structura topului, ce nu si-a dat el seama e ca roshkatul este offspec enha, therefor un undergeard si probabil underachiever (nu e o jignire, e ceva normal pentru un offspec), deci daca el in situatia aia e pe primul loc, e clar ca dps-ul pe server este incontestabil mult mai mare decat apare in recountu ala


Eu am inceput sa joc freakz ca enha, am jucat 6 luni enha inainte sa incep sa imi fac gear de restoration (deoarece guilda avea nevoie de sham resto). "Therefor" cunosc foarte bine clasa, reforgeurile, statsurile, rotatia, glyphs etc. Gearul (aprox 385 cu 3 iteme pvp [arme cata]) poate parea prost, dar eu intodeauna am stiut sa imi fac reforgeurile astfel incat sa ajung la stats f bune cu gear putin.. (hit cap, exp cap, 23 mastery, etc.)

Doar fiindca este off spec nu inseamna ca sunt underachiever, cunosc f bine 2 din cele 3 specuri ale shamanului, si al 3 lea sumar-elemental (suf incat sa dau 32k dps/dummy cu trinkete de 4.0.6)

@sharmi Poti recupera acel buff de expertise daca dai respec dupa ce ai primit blessing of might
Intr-adevar resetarea stackului la totem este destul de aiurea.. Trebuie sa fii atent sa ai mai mult de 10 sec din searing totem tot timpul, si iei un GCD aiurea cand uneori este foarte dificil de strecurat un GCD in+ in rotatie.


Si da, shamanul enha nu beneficeaza atat de mult de gear, doar de weap damage. Multi shamani dau acest dps cu x2 hand of morchok, aproape end-game weapons pentru shaman, deci dpsul shamanului nu va mai creste foarte mult, decat din obtinerea unor trinkete noi.

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Post Posted: 04-05-2013, 17:55:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da ma descurc cu totemul nu-i problema .....Atata timp cat sti sa jonglezi cu el si sa il repui cand trebuie (daca mai ai decat 8 secunde spre exemplu de searing totem si ai dat deja lava lash ,trebuie sa-l repui instant deoarece pana la urmatorul lava lash ti se pun alte stack-uri in plus ) Se poate juca si in felul asta dar este mult mai greu decat ar trebui .Adica spre exemplu la yor sahj nu pot sa mai joc in altfel decat sa stau pe boss .Shamanul la momentul actual e una dintre cele mai proaste clase pentru relocare .De asta e indicat sa fie tot timpul lasat pe boss....Daca m-as duce pe oaze as pierde foarte mult dps . Inainte sa se bage fix-ul cu armura in pve,am scos 52k dps la yor sahj pe 25hc stand pe boss .




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http://postimg.org/image/std9i4sen/ 48k la yor sahj 25normal eu zic ca e destul de ok avand in vedere ca in ultimele doua ture nu am prins black ozzle si nu am putut sa imi etalez aoe-ul - .




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Post Posted: 05-05-2013, 20:55:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cam atat am scos si eu la yorsahj 25n inainte de ultima tura de oaze.. (in ultima tura de oaze am apucat sa dau si putin AoE si am urcat pe la 52-53k)


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Pai e bine inseamna ca la 25hc o sa ma ridic mult de tot ...Asta bineinteles daca totul merge cuum vreau eu .........Daca nu ma lasa pe boss....o sa am o pana subita de curent -




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Un singur lucru este aiurea in momentul in care trebuie sa dai AoE.. targetingul la totem o ia razna, inca e buguit deoarece nu da pe targetul afectat de stormstrike


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Un singur lucru este aiurea in momentul in care trebuie sa dai AoE.. targetingul la totem o ia razna, inca e buguit deoarece nu da pe targetul afectat de stormstrike

Cand dai la aoe asa este .Si iti zic si de ce .Searing totemul da si pe tinta care are flame shock inflicted .Tu cand ai dat spread la Flame shock toate tintele din aoe au flame shock .Si e normal sa o ia razna totemul in cazul asta ..Dar nu e problema deoarece la aoe nu joci cu searing totem,joci cu magma totem .Ajuta mai mult .





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Post Posted: 08-05-2013, 13:09:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

DPS Yorsahj 25hc, dupa armor fix, facut ieri.. Facut dupa ce a picat bossul:



Si o alta discutie..

http://www.wowhead.com/item=77113 vs http://www.wowhead.com/item=69001

Inclin mai mult spre seed, deoarece shamanul nu are nici un "WTF OMG 100% DMG INCREASE" burst, deci cooldownul mai mic ajuta, dar si deoarece da o cantitate imensa de mastery, versus haste-ul oferit de sigil.. Am discutat asta si cu un shaman din guilda si am ajuns cam la aceeasi concluzie.. + Mastery-ul ajuta destul de mult si la AoE, eu avand 23 mastery, iar shamanul celalalt, mai gearat ca mine avand doar 20 mastery, ceea ce i-a ingreunat dpsul AoE

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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 11:20:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pai sigilu e echivalent cu 381 agil iar seedu 319 agil

Daca dai reforge in mastery vei avea 183 mastery si 275 haste.Deci in esenta trebuie sa alegi intre

62 agil + 275 haste vs 200 mastery


Ca si valoare pare mai puternic sigiliu dar depinde mult si de natura fightului si cat dureaza


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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 11:24:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ca valoare nu e deloc mai bun sigilu, diferenta de agillity e mult prea mica, si dupa cum e foarte cunoscut, pe shamanul enha hasteul mai mult de incurca decat sa te ajute, e un stat extrem de prost, deci nu incape nici o discutie ca trinketul cu mastery este superior orice s-ar intampla


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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 12:27:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

kiroptyric sigil (397)
proc : 2290 * A * (15/90) = 1582.848
stat : (275 * H) + (183 * M) = 739.39
total : 2322.243


ancient petrified seed (378)
proc : 1277 * A * (15/60) = 1323.9936
stat : 383 * M = 881.8575
total = 2205.84


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Ty pentru calcule soulkreep. Insa avand in vedere ca Mastery-ul ajuta la AoE mai mult decat Haste-ul, in cateva situatii seed-ul este mai bun ca si sigil

In situatii single target sigil este mai bun, dar nu prea merita sa investesc atat valor in Sigil deocamndata..

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Vroiai sa vezi mai multe recounturi de la 25-uri cu guildele right? E un print mai sus.

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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 18:37:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Toate ca toate...Dar eu sunt intr-un tanc !!! ^_^




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Post Posted: 11-05-2013, 22:52:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

E clar ...DPS-ul depinde si de compozitia raidului ........Astazi pe 25hc cu 4 magi in raid nu am putut scoate mai mult de 45k ........ ce sa faci frate..tot aoe-ul ala ...decat 2 fire nova apucam sa dau.....pe 25n am scos insa mai bine ..53k ...tot cu aceeasi magi...fara sa fie toate runurile de oaze negre ...
Alte noutati,a fost fixat expertise-ul ,acuma nu mai pierzi de la unleashed rage cand da un paladin might .

Si cel mai important de mentionat...............Sunt intr-un tanc !! ^_^





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