[FIXED] [Death Knight][PvE][PvP] Scourge Strike

[Needlegun]

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Scourge strike shadow does not crit itself,but instead it becomes a lot higher when scourge strike physical crit occurs.Atm ss shadow critical damage is not connected to ss s physical one

@@ Pentru cine se apuca de fix CONCLUZIILE sunt la final .

Proof

Ss shadow crit mechanics is fixed WRONG - instead of doing higher shadow damage based on higher physcal damage,crits just double shadow damage part.



no ss physcal crits



One more similar case

1 high ss shadow



0 ss physical crits



Screenshot with ss physcal crit and low ss shadow



Ss shadows:

[Needlegun]

yea but on freaks when physical doubles shadow stays the same and sometimes shadow doubles with no reason

[Needlegun]

cuz its the bug.recount shows that ur ss shadow did 1 k damage when it should have done like 517 all the time

Posturi unite automat, 23-08-2013, 13:56:16

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=m9rr81&&s=5, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2enu5pz&&s=5

here i dont have ss physcal crits but my ss shadow made 28k cuz it "crited" by itself even tho iit didnt show as crit

And here is the opposite situation. ss physical did crit ,so there should be huge ss shadow but it didnt happen

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5mgqp&&s=5, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=21b6vxf&&s=5

[Pirinush]

Needlegun wrote:

cuz its the bug.recount shows that ur ss shadow did 1 k damage when it should have done like 517 all the time

WHAT? you are saying that recount is bugged and the dummy took only 517 damage? stop defending your class and bring solid proof like i did.

You have 2 prints without the talent (no crits) 100 hits and 2 more prints with the talent (no crits) 100 hits. The only difference between the prints is the talent Rage of Rivendale

wowwiki wrote:

Patch 4.1.0 (26-Apr-2011): Again applies 15/30/45% additional damage to Plague, Scourge, and Festering Strike, up from 12/24/36%.

It says right there , bonus damage to Scourge Strike, it does not say anything about Scourge Strike Shadow damage.



Fixes will be live only after a server restart !

[Needlegun]

its not recount bugged , SS SHADOW CAN NEVER DOUBLE ITS DAMAGE UNLESS PHYSICAL PART DID DOUBLE DAMAGE, BUT IT DID DOUBLE DAMAGE ON UR SCREENSHOT FOR SOME REASON AND THATS THE PROBLEM - its positive bug

another problem is that when ss physical does crit ss shadow doesn't inherit its damage - its negative bug.

Also i do agree that ss shadow is getting some bonus damage from somewhere but not from rage of rivender

[Pirinush]

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-dk-4.0.6-Scourge-Strike-damage-t126110-60.html

@regarding the Rage of Rivendare talent

@@i will try to test the psychical part crit and get back to you


SS crit does 1772 damage , I got 1 disease on the target => 0.18*1772 + 0.2(18%*1772)[8 mastery] = 318.96+63.792 = 382.75 damage (in the print i did 381 damage)



SS non crit does 885 damage , 1 disease on target => 0.18*885 + 0.2(0.18*885)[8 mastery] = 159.3 + 31.86 = 191.16 damage (in the print I did 190 damage)




Seems to me that crit is working fine

All tests were made without the Rage of Rivendare Talents



Fixes will be live only after a server restart !

[kabutozero]

Pirinush what needle is trying to say is easy to understand , only that he doesnt explain it well

He says the only "bug" ( let's be honest here , this was a side effect of fixing ss shadow crit damage , RoR was working PERFECTLY before, like it happened before with the gargoyle fixes) is that ss shadow part , instead of doubling its damage when phys part crits , it does so randomly , making possible ss that crit with shadow part only and not with phys part , but also ss that crit physically and not shadow part.

He says that this bug screwed your proof since you got one of those random bug crits , maybe on the ss with rage of rivendare on

Look at this example , we have a ss that does 1000 phys damage and 500 shadow damage

How it worked before ss fix : if no ss meles crit 1000+500=1500 damage , if melee crit 1000*2 + 500 =2500 damage

How it works now : ss can real either no crits in both hits (1500) , ideal crit only with phys (2500) or shadow (2000) (both are BUG), or both crit (3000)

How it should Work: ss phys part no crit and do 1000+500 damage or phys part crit and it would deal 1000*2+500*2 damage , dealing 3000 damage

ED: A quick check on freakz db reveals that RoR works well , giving 45% increase and it DOESNT INCREASE ss shadow
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=91323&&name=rage-of-rivendare

So, being that the db reads directly from the Server , i think its pretty crear the bug on confirmed is pretty invalid , why there should be a problem with RoR if what was touched was Ss and RoR worked perfectly before..

I think this bug was Put on confirmed too much faster than other well proven and nastier

[Pirinush]

Will test again, but it unlikely that i got the bug for 100 hits in a row



Fixes will be live only after a server restart !

[kabutozero]

Well at last I came back from vacation ,got in game and as needle said , the only bug seems to be that ss shadow part crits randomly without depending on the phys part...


ED: there's also some calculation wrong for SS shadow crit damage , because on many testing my max SS phys hit is 29k against dummy while ma SS shadow hit is 30k , that's too low of a difference, shadow part should outdamage phys part by a lot more

[rhoperese]

If the SS OP dmg come from RoR that means it will be pernament but is isnt . The Problem is Shadow Part SS is ciriting sometimes without the physical one to crit that is the problem.

[Pirinush]

Try to test 100 hits without talent and see if you get SS shadow crit



Fixes will be live only after a server restart !

[kabutozero]

got one in less than 100 hits




In both pics you can see I have minimal unholy talents ( runic corruption for faster testing)

First pic shows recount of SS phys part ,if that part had critted it would have shown as a crit below the normal hits, plus the damage is stable 8-9-10k

Second pic shows recount of SS shadow part , while I was testing the max ss shadow I got was 4.4k , so that 7.5k is one of those random criticals , since it wouldn't make sense to do 7.5k damage even with the max SS physical I did ( 10k)

I repeat , rage of rivendare wasn't touched before , this problem appeared after SS "Fix" So it's clearly a problem that came with that fix , the crit mechanics were clearly not implemented properly and the shadow part gets doubled seldomly without showing a crit. Just clean up a bit this topic with this bug being the problem ( shadow part seldomly doubling instead of when phys part crits) , remove the other one from confirmed bugs and notify shocker i'm sure he'll see the problem fast enough

[kabutozero]

^^

Like I linked before , there's NO BUG WITH RAGE OF RIVENDARE , if it was working perfectly before SS "Fix" Why it got bugged? correct , it didn't , because this server is not the one that fuks something else while fixing something. The problem is SS having random crits on the shadow part without counting on the criticals of the phys part


There's no other bug , and you know why this bug happens so much more often in pve? Because of crit auras. I have pvped a lot since that "Fix" and tbh those random criticals must have the same chance as your critical to activate ( 5% in my case) and I for sure have not been one shotting people or whatever in pvp , my damage is exactly the same , because on pvp usually there's no crit auras and if there are mostly 1 or 2...

That + the freakz db showing that RoR gives 45 % damage and doesnt affect ss shadow is enough proof , just remove the scourge strike confirmed bug and put this , or i'll make a new one detailing the problem of the random critical and you confirm that one

TL;DR , To fix this , make scourge strike shadow part get doubled if the phys part crits, an not in any other case

[nyv]

kabutozero wrote:

^^ just remove the scourge strike confirmed bug and put this , or i'll make a new one detailing the problem of the random critical and you confirm that one

Agree 100%. That "fix" is not valid.

Again... the ONLY problem is the one that Shadow Part Damage has a benefit from CRIT. The shadow damage part is doubled only when the Physical part of Scourge strike crits.


The Rage of Rivendare talent that has influence on the Shadow damage part of Scourge strike should be reapplied because it works as intended. As such this bug is not valid.



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[kabutozero]

it's still here because someone restored it , tho the problem still remains

You could have put the one that's now rejected as confirmed and remove the one that's confirmed


Anyways just remove -> http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Death-Knight-PvE-PvP-Scourge-Strike-t248523.html from confirmed , that's NOT the bug as everyone has said