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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 13:34:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

It's clearly a bug. Those who say it's not, are either fail-warlocks or just trolls that don't want this bugs fixed.

Toyz - I didn't expect such l2p issue from you, really.

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Move it to confirmed pls!



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Fix Demo now so i could play it ;( Soz off topic.Gj Xll



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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 13:49:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

eqinox wrote:
In video dat de tine dati la minutul 4:24 Conflagrate de 102k pe boss in black faze. Daca ne luam dupa forula data de Nedlegunxz adica asta (immolate tick damage)*(number of ticks)*0,6(conflagrate)*1,25(cataclysm)*1,xx(mastery).
avem asa: 24743(tick damage)*5(numar base ticks neinfluentat de haste)*0.6*1.25(cataclysmic)*1,xx(mastery pe care l-am luat ca 1.1)
rezultatul imi da asa 24743*5*0.6*1.25*1.1=102064.
Mie se pare cat se poate de normal. Cred ca am calculat corect si nu am facut niciun fel de eroare. NU e influentat de Black faze

Ca sa nu apara hatereala puteam sa iau numarul de tickuri 7. Nu are cum sa joace fara hastecapul de 30% facut.
Acum ca sa dispara hatereala calculati si voi.


number of ticks scales with haste & raid buffs.so it should be 7 or 6 since warlock is raid buffed. 24743 is immolate tick crit.besides ur forgetting improved soul fire & curse of elements modifiers



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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 13:52:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Needlegunxz wrote:
eqinox wrote:
In video dat de tine dati la minutul 4:24 Conflagrate de 102k pe boss in black faze. Daca ne luam dupa forula data de Nedlegunxz adica asta (immolate tick damage)*(number of ticks)*0,6(conflagrate)*1,25(cataclysm)*1,xx(mastery).
avem asa: 24743(tick damage)*5(numar base ticks neinfluentat de haste)*0.6*1.25(cataclysmic)*1,xx(mastery pe care l-am luat ca 1.1)
rezultatul imi da asa 24743*5*0.6*1.25*1.1=102064.
Mie se pare cat se poate de normal. Cred ca am calculat corect si nu am facut niciun fel de eroare. NU e influentat de Black faze

Ca sa nu apara hatereala puteam sa iau numarul de tickuri 7. Nu are cum sa joace fara hastecapul de 30% facut.
Acum ca sa dispara hatereala calculati si voi.


number of ticks scales with haste & raid buffs.so it should be 7 or 6 since warlock is raid buffed.

i know that dude. but i took the base ticks 5 in the formula. it's more easy to calculate with 5. i don't know if that guy had 30.01% haste.




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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 13:55:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Acest fenomen de double dipping e mult mai sever la majordomo hc in cazul lockului destro, se pare ca aura de damage increase pe target (gen feedback pe hagara) nu are aceleasi efecte ca aura de concentration de la Domo hc.

La hagara n-am vazut conflaguri mai mari de 395k crits, in schimb la majordomo ploua cu conflaguri de 700k+ dar culmea, ambele mecanici ofera teoretic acelasi efect, 100% damage increase, dar valorile difera enorm.
Se pare ca damage increase pe player este mai sever decat damage increase pe target, cel putin in cazul asta.


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odes wrote:
Acest fenomen de double dipping e mult mai sever la majordomo hc in cazul lockului destro, se pare ca aura de damage increase pe target (gen feedback pe hagara) nu are aceleasi efecte ca aura de concentration de la Domo hc.

La hagara n-am vazut conflaguri mai mari de 395k crits, in schimb la majordomo ploua cu conflaguri de 700k+ dar culmea, ambele mecanici ofera teoretic acelasi efect, 100% damage increase, dar valorile difera enorm.
Se pare ca damage increase pe player este mai sever decat damage increase pe target, cel putin in cazul asta.


Pentru ca la poti sa prinzi immolate cu full procs si 100% dmg increase la majordomo, la hagara nu poti(poate nu ai atata noroc, etc).




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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 14:02:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

This article is about spell critical strikes only. For physical critical strikes, see Critical strike.

Spell critical strike (often abbreviated as "spell crit") is when a spell or magical effect (most damaging spells, healing spells, some damage over time effects) has an increased effect. To see your chance to critically strike with spells, open your character pane and view your spell stats. Mobs are unable to get critical strikes with spells.
Spell critical strike chance is gained from both critical strike rating and intellect, as well as various talents and abilities.

Spell crit damage

The size of spell crits depends on the character's class and spec, as well as the spell cast:
All healing crits heal for 200% of the normal amount
All druid, mage, priest, shaman and warlock crits deal 200% normal damage

Sursa: http://wowpedia.org/Spell_critical_strike


Parerea mea, daca si calculul dat de tn este corect, nu ar fi o problema pentru un warlock care are in raid in jur de (28%crit, si un 14%mastery) sa dea criticale de 200k.

Daca gresesc va rog frumos sa ma corectati.

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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 14:04:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

odes wrote:
Acest fenomen de double dipping e mult mai sever la majordomo hc in cazul lockului destro, se pare ca aura de damage increase pe target (gen feedback pe hagara) nu are aceleasi efecte ca aura de concentration de la Domo hc.

La hagara n-am vazut conflaguri mai mari de 395k crits, in schimb la majordomo ploua cu conflaguri de 700k+ dar culmea, ambele mecanici ofera teoretic acelasi efect, 100% damage increase, dar valorile difera enorm.
Se pare ca damage increase pe player este mai sever decat damage increase pe target, cel putin in cazul asta.

toti va bagati in seama fara sa veniti cu vreo dovata arata 395k crit la hagara
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Seyrox wrote:
odes wrote:
Acest fenomen de double dipping e mult mai sever la majordomo hc in cazul lockului destro, se pare ca aura de damage increase pe target (gen feedback pe hagara) nu are aceleasi efecte ca aura de concentration de la Domo hc.

La hagara n-am vazut conflaguri mai mari de 395k crits, in schimb la majordomo ploua cu conflaguri de 700k+ dar culmea, ambele mecanici ofera teoretic acelasi efect, 100% damage increase, dar valorile difera enorm.
Se pare ca damage increase pe player este mai sever decat damage increase pe target, cel putin in cazul asta.


Pentru ca la poti sa prinzi immolate cu full procs si 100% dmg increase la majordomo, la hagara nu poti(poate nu ai atata noroc, etc).


Te asigur ca nu ala e motivul, ca exemplu iti dau mage fire, la majordomo hc, avand damage increase-ul pe mine si nu pe target, mastery nu imi face double dip pe target, deci am ignite-uri normale si combustionuri pe masura, la hagara insa, unde am damage increase-u pe target, e cu totu alta poveste si ies combustii duble fata de majordomo hc si cat ar trebui sa fie in mod normal, chiar si dupa fixul la combustion.

Nu ma intelege gresit, formula pe combustion este 100% ok acum, si se vede la damage-ul facut in conditii normale fara damage increase pe target in cazul magului.
Difera de la clasa la clasa si ce mecanica are spellu cu pricina, eventual si ce mastery are legat de el...

@Ghosteyelol...ask Conflagrater nu mai fi asa agitat.



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odes wrote:
Seyrox wrote:
odes wrote:
Acest fenomen de double dipping e mult mai sever la majordomo hc in cazul lockului destro, se pare ca aura de damage increase pe target (gen feedback pe hagara) nu are aceleasi efecte ca aura de concentration de la Domo hc.

La hagara n-am vazut conflaguri mai mari de 395k crits, in schimb la majordomo ploua cu conflaguri de 700k+ dar culmea, ambele mecanici ofera teoretic acelasi efect, 100% damage increase, dar valorile difera enorm.
Se pare ca damage increase pe player este mai sever decat damage increase pe target, cel putin in cazul asta.


Pentru ca la poti sa prinzi immolate cu full procs si 100% dmg increase la majordomo, la hagara nu poti(poate nu ai atata noroc, etc).


Te asigur ca nu ala e motivul, ca exemplu iti dau mage fire, la majordomo hc, avand damage increase-ul pe mine si nu pe target, mastery nu imi face double dip pe target, deci am ignite-uri normale si combustionuri pe masura, la hagara insa, unde am damage increase-u pe target, e cu totu alta poveste si ies combustii duble fata de majordomo hc si cat ar trebui sa fie in mod normal, chiar si dupa fixul la combustion.

Nu ma intelege gresit, formula pe combustion este 100% ok acum, si se vede la damage-ul facut in conditii normale fara damage increase pe target in cazul magului.
Difera de la clasa la clasa si ce mecanica are spellu cu pricina, eventual si ce mastery are legat de el...

a devenit pony zone acest topic?
are warlockul conbustion si nu stiu eu?

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Post Posted: 28-09-2013, 14:13:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

e acceasi mecanica si la combustion ca si la conflagrate. Spelurilea astea 2 nu trebuie saprimeasca double dip



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@zohl, some warn for off-topic?



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Nu, am dat un exermplu ca sa-si faca oamenii o idee cum sunt afectate clasele in mod diferit de aurele astea, nu te mai revolta atata ca iti strici parul.

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eqinox wrote:
e acceasi mecanica si la combustion ca si la conflagrate. Spelurilea astea 2 nu trebuie saprimeasca double dip

de unde reiese?
vreu sa vad unde scrie ca, conflagrate nu trebuie sa beneficieze de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108934 (wowhead link) la hagara
e ca asa vrei tu ?
sau chiar scrie undeva?

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