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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 15:31:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

CAM nu uitati atent..deci vedeti ce video o postat nerd dupa asta mai spuneti ca nui bug.
Si 30k e mult.





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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 17:47:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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CAM nu uitati atent..deci vedeti ce video o postat nerd dupa asta mai spuneti ca nui bug.
Si 30k e mult.

Ai rogue?Nu .
Sti cum merge rogue-ul ? Nu .
Cat despre Nerd toata lumea stie ca e un rogue hater si a adus mereu calcule gresite si dovezi false cand a venit vorba de rogue .
Tu nu te plangi de faptul ca are dmg mare , tu te plangi de faptul ca are cc , anti-cc si dmg mare , welcome to the real world 4.3.4 e patch-ul rogue-ului . Ia frumos la rand toate clasele cu cele mai mari crituri date de ele in pvp asa cum faci cu rogue-ul si dupa plangi in continuare ca rogue-ul are dmg mare .
Cat timp nu aduceti dovezi si comparatii VALIDE nu aveti nici un drept sa cereti nerfs .
DMG-ul de care plangeti voi e in conditii extreme de full burst & procs nu e ca si cum ai spune ca da atata fara sa faca nimic .

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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 19:16:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

FaithOfDarkness repet inca odata - citeste topic mai bine,si eu am dat proofs destule.

In afara de asta nerd o aratat cum rogue cu 1lvl daggers da pe dummy 50000 crit!! cum asa?nu e buguit?o da...e patchul rogului..sa merg la arene cu 1lvl daggers..pt ce e cata daggers daca si asa dau 50000 pe target?

Rogue nam/nu stiu mechanica la rogue.. dar totusi stiu a folosi google si inteleg ca nu poate sa fie clasa cu CC extrem de bun si sa aiba CC non-stop cu damage extrem de mare.

Exemplu - arcane mage bate cu 60k
frost mages - 30k ( si cam asta e mult acum)
sa intrebi de ce ?pt ca arcane nare asa mult CC.
Asa la fel si Boomkin druid.Damage mare ,low CC.
simti diferenta?
Lasa sa aiba rogue si 60k damage - dar sa aiba CC putin ,un stun si un silence.Dar are mii de stuns/blind/silence..si extrem de tare da damage.

La videos pe care am uitat - nu vad crits de 40k..si nu vad asa mult damage ca pe freakz.Cu trinketu PVP activat vad 28k maximal la BGs..la arena 21k.

Formula la ambush

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=8676&&name=ambush

adica causing 197% weapon damage plus 367 to the target (285% plus 531 if a dagger is equipped)

la video lui nerd era daggers 1 lvl cu 1-2 dmg.
deci intrebare - cum se calculeaza acum damage pe freakz?de la attack power sau de la weapon?mi se pare ca de la attack power- ceea ce e gresit.





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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 19:35:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

crasher wrote:
FaithOfDarkness repet inca odata - citeste topic mai bine,si eu am dat proofs destule.

In afara de asta nerd o aratat cum rogue cu 1lvl daggers da pe dummy 50000 crit!! cum asa?nu e buguit?o da...e patchul rogului..sa merg la arene cu 1lvl daggers..pt ce e cata daggers daca si asa dau 50000 pe target?

Rogue nam/nu stiu mechanica la rogue.. dar totusi stiu a folosi google si inteleg ca nu poate sa fie clasa cu CC extrem de bun si sa aiba CC non-stop cu damage extrem de mare.

Exemplu - arcane mage bate cu 60k
frost mages - 30k ( si cam asta e mult acum)
sa intrebi de ce ?pt ca arcane nare asa mult CC.
Asa la fel si Boomkin druid.Damage mare ,low CC.
simti diferenta?
Lasa sa aiba rogue si 60k damage - dar sa aiba CC putin ,un stun si un silence.Dar are mii de stuns/blind/silence..si extrem de tare da damage.

La videos pe care am uitat - nu vad crits de 40k..si nu vad asa mult damage ca pe freakz.Cu trinketu PVP activat vad 28k maximal la BGs..la arena 21k.

Formula la ambush

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=8676&&name=ambush

adica causing 197% weapon damage plus 367 to the target (285% plus 531 if a dagger is equipped)

la video lui nerd era daggers 1 lvl cu 1-2 dmg.
deci intrebare - cum se calculeaza acum damage pe freakz?de la attack power sau de la weapon?mi se pare ca de la attack power- ceea ce e gresit.

Arcane mage are imba movement + attackspeed slow la fiecare arcane blast si unul separat fara cast time sau cooldown . Diferenta e ca nu beneficiaza de acelasi numar de roots in timp ce beneficiaza de un slow mai eficient care compenseaza impotriva oricarui melee ( sau hunter ca sa poata sta lipit de el mai usor ) .

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Oh and ambush doesn't use your white damage; it's normalized to 1.7 weapon speed for daggers.

Nu mai caut pentru tine , cauta singur .

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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 19:41:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

1.7 speed not damage.
in tooltip se scrie 197% weapon DAMAGE nu speed.
deci daca tu nu vezi diferenta ,si ingame nu exista - pt ce rogue sa cumpara daggere de 397 ilvl?damage e tot acelasi.





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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 21:57:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu iti pun print cu 40K ambush crit in ilvl 393 de PVP, pe sub, pe dummy cu 0 armor 0 resil.

Nu ma intereseaza ce exploit a facut ala. DMGu la rogue n-are nimic, inca mi se pare ca eviscerate e inutil in pvp, dai mai mult cu backstab.


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Cat despre frost mage, crede-ma, e printre cele mai grele clase din joc.

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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 21:59:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

^^ Tu esti terminat in adevaratul sens al cuvantului te uiti numai la ce a postat ala . Uitate si ce au postat restul si numai sari primu sa mananci sh1t la ce zice altu daca tu nu ai o treaba cu clasa despre care se vorbeste .

 
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Post Posted: 28-07-2013, 22:03:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

crasher wrote:
1.7 speed not damage.
in tooltip se scrie 197% weapon DAMAGE nu speed.
deci daca tu nu vezi diferenta ,si ingame nu exista - pt ce rogue sa cumpara daggere de 397 ilvl?damage e tot acelasi.

Pentru ca nu toate spell-urile lucreaza in felul asta si faptul ca mai dai si cu auto-atack ? Renunt , esti pe langa .
Edit : Am scris din greseala armele in loc de spell-urile .



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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 00:26:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Iti zic odata - ambush trebuie sa beneficiaza de weapon damage..nu de attack power.Pe video ai vazut ca cu daggere de 1 lvl face 50k crit..




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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 01:56:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

crasher wrote:
Iti zic odata - ambush trebuie sa beneficiaza de weapon damage..nu de attack power.Pe video ai vazut ca cu daggere de 1 lvl face 50k crit..

http://www.wowwiki.com/Normalization



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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 02:25:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

iaca si formula

damage = 2(weapon damage la video) + (1.7 speed * 17000 AP / 14) = 2066.28

Deci ambush are 285% weapon damage + 531..ceea ce este in total 6419.89 cu acele daggere si cu 17000 attack power..
Poate si am gresit dar cam asa trebuie sa fie cu 1 lvl daggers.

Cu daggers fear+ vengeance avem 15199 damage.

tot cu acelasi AP





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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 13:24:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Formula pentru ambush:
{ [ (829+1541)/2 + 1.7x17080/14] +1816 } * 3.99 * 1.1%(master of subtlety) * 1.3(shadowstep)*1.6(damage increased pentru ca am aplicat hemoraghe pe target)=(1185+2074+1816)*3.99*1.1*1.3*1.6=5075*3.99*1.1*1.3*1.6=~46330
damage obtinut in joc 46349,fiind mai mare decat cel din formula datorita bonusului de agility primit de la fear and vengeance.
casuta @raster
sunt destule dovezi ca ambush functioneaza cum trebuie?





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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 17:21:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Xrobert01 - acum calculezi damage cu daggers la 1 lvl ( 1-2 damage) si scrie cit trebuie sa fie.

SI in afara de asta -
46330 = 25481 ( 45% resil) si daca mai avem armor = calculeaza cit trebuie sa dai.
Deci iese oleaca mai putin decit 25400.

Dar pe video noi vedem ca cu daggers de 1 lvl face 50000 crit.Deci formula pe freakz e buguita.

Poate si ai dreptate cu formula ta,dar daca vezi cu resil 25000 damage e normal.
ingame cred ca mai mult rogue da..
In movies am vazut 21000-28000 damage deci formula a ta e buna,dar calculeaza si resil.





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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 17:44:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dece sa calculeze el care stie ca merge bine ? Sa iti arate tie care esti batut in cap ?
Ai batut apropo la filmul lu ala ( zic ala sa nu ii activez casuta) dar la ce e postat dupa nu te-ai uitat .
Uite cu 1k ap mai mult ca el dau cu 10k mai putin dmg , inceteaza sa postezi aici


E bine ca lumea se *ocupa* de forum si de 3 pagini aproape il lasati pe ala sa posteze aberatii gen ca rogue da prea tare pentru ca ia batut blood death knightu ...

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Post Posted: 29-07-2013, 18:10:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Rofly - pune daggers de 1 lvl si dai damage - posteaza aici screenshot cu log la recount ( sau mai bine video)

Zici tot gresit.Robert macar o dat proof,si eu sunt de acord cu el..dar tu numai postezi mesage de genu ''esti batut in cap bla bla bla...'' si nimic util.

EU ajut cu ce pot.Fara proof nu mai veni in topic.





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