[DUPLICATE] [Shaman][All Specs][Talent Passive] Echo of the Elements 3

[vlayboy]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108283&&name=echo-of-the-elements
Bug description: Echo of the Elements has a current ICD of 1 second in PvE , the correct global cooldown is 0.1 second , due to this all the specs suffer from massive dps loss making the talent useless in pve at least . Please set it back to 0.1 or remove the ICD untill you find a proper fix because butchering the talent is not a solution ( i tested in raid and im loosing 20k dps on single target )
Proof:

Quote:

We don’t frequently use tiny ICDs like that, but it solves problems in a few cases. Static Shock and Flametongue have no ICD at all. We mentioned Echo of the Elements having a short ICD before, and yes, it is also 0.1sec

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[Orga]

It sort of defeats the purpose of the talent as stated ahead , ICD should be set to 0.1 second rather than 1 second (blizzard put 0.1 rather than 1 for specific reasons ) or have the fix removed untill a viable solution is found , ive noticed a stable dps loss of 10k to 15k on single target maybe ( yes no fire nova @haters ) so reconsider the 1 second workaround.

[weitrem]

Or the server can't handle milliseconds icd spells?

[Orga]

weitrem wrote:

Or the server can't handle milliseconds icd spells?

Thats what shocker mentioned in PM , but putting 1 second is not a solution especially after testing it it does reduce performance by quite some

[Shodan]

And removing the icd is not a solution either .


EDIT : But you could remove the icd in pve and keep it in pvp ? Yeah it's not fair but 1 sec icd is killing enchancement and elemental too because you can't proc it from main spell and from mastery at the same time



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[Orga]

Shodan wrote:

And removing the icd is not a solution either .

Leaving it broken is not a solution aswell , leaving explosive shot as bugged as it is now is a better solution than putting it on 10second ICD

After editing your message ,that is a possibility , yes because in PvP the ICD is currently 4 seconds while in PvE it is 1 second rather than 0.1

[bunk]

Shodan wrote:

And removing the icd is not a solution either .

This only happens in PVP combat where there are more than 4-5 ppl stacked. This shit 1 sec icd affects PVE more. 2s is not affected by echo, 3s same, 5s *dead*. And now i'm asking you something. How much world pvp is on the server?


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[vlayboy]

In pve it effect alot the dps on enha or elemental doesn't matter if it is aoe or single target.( the dps is dicrease more then 20k)

[beasthuntres]

Say..confirmed? Umm.. this is really screwed up lol. all specs are suffering greatly from this "fix"

[odes]

Reverting the changes is out of the question, a workaround maybe, not sure exactly why all the drama? our ele shaman performed really well in mv 10h tonight, single target AND aoe.


Is it possible to reduce it to maybe 0.5 sec? Spell travel time is roughly a little over half a second, it should be enough i think. Not sure exactly why we cant have it on a 0.1 sec (not familiar with technical details) but it definitely cant go back with no internal cd.

[Orga]

odes wrote:

Reverting the changes is out of the question, a workaround maybe, not sure exactly why all the drama? our ele shaman performed really well in mv 10h tonight, single target AND aoe. Is it possible to reduce it to maybe 0.5 sec? Spell travel time is roughly a little over half a second, it should be enough i think. Not sure exactly why we cant have it on a 0.1 sec (not familiar with technical details) but it definitely cant go back with no internal cd.

Blizzard has it on 0.1 for a reason and you obviously dont understand why , if the server doesnt allow it to be 0.1 it must be reverted to no ICD and maybe an ICD for fire nova only , please dont comment if you dont play a shaman

[odes]

I know it should be 0.1, in my bug report i never said it should be 1 second internal cd, but as i understood shocker said he cant do it like that i am not sure about technical details of why he cannot make it 0.1 sec, you didnt even read my entire previous post properly, u mad?

Also i understand perfectly why its on a such a short internal cd on retail, to allow synergy between elemental spec mastery (overload) and echo but also to prevent it from duplicating from itself.

[Orga]

Not clever are you ? he just said that HE CANT PUT 0.X INTERNAL COOLDOWN , WHY ARE YOU ASKING HIM IF ITS POSSIBLE TO PUT 0.5 ??

[vlayboy]

odes wrote:

I know it should be 0.1, in my bug report i never said it should be 1 second internal cd, but as i understood shocker said he cant do it like that i am not sure about technical details of why he cannot make it 0.1 sec, you didnt even read my entire previous post properly, u mad?

Is not a Drama. Its just this way is really make almost useless the spell, and from what I see, your problem is on Fire nova in PvP. And you are right about that one. In pvp it should be ICD 4 sec. How is it now it affect also the other spells not only Fire Nova.For example you cast like 30 lightning bolt and u get 2-3 procs, and its not okay.

[odes]

vlayboy wrote:

odes wrote: I know it should be 0.1, in my bug report i never said it should be 1 second internal cd, but as i understood shocker said he cant do it like that i am not sure about technical details of why he cannot make it 0.1 sec, you didnt even read my entire previous post properly, u mad? Is not a Drama. Its just this way is really make almost useless the spell, and from what I see, your problem is on Fire nova in PvP. And you are right about that one. In pvp it should be ICD 4 sec. How is it now it affect also the other spells not only Fire Nova.For example you cast like 30 lightning bolt and u get 2-3 procs, and its not okay.

Im sorry but our ele shaman was pulling 120k dps at single target no damage increase bosses @ mv 10h with just 492 ilvl, exactly how is your echo useless now? Maybe it affects enha shamans a bit because they attack faster, have a higher proc chance and their spells dont have travel time towards bosses and even then its nothing significant. The problem was never just fire nova, my bug report was specifically for echo of elements because it had no icd, stop with this random useless talk pls. Fire nova now has a separate bug report showing another bug


Elemental spec proc chance for echo of elements should be 6%, 2-3 echoes from casting only 30 lightning bolts sounds like almost 10% why are you complaining? Thats how it was supposed to work from the beginning...why is it not okay? Because you are used to the bugged version?