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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 21:14:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=974 (wowhead link)
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: healingul e considerabil mai mic decat ar trebuii
Dovada / Proof: dovezi, aici e partea nasoala, a fost modificat de 2 ori spellul pana acum, dadea 20k, evident exagerat de mult, a fost redus undeva la 5k pe mine (cu talent de +5% healing recieved), iar acum, cu hotfixul de 4.0.6, speram sa dau si eu mai mult cu earth shieldu, pentru ca asta a fost singura explicatie oferita cate playeri la intrebarea "de ce da earth shield asa putin", cand mirare, vad la changelog ca IAR A FOST REDUS healingul earth shieldului


mai mult decat sa va dau un link de pe arenajunkies, in care sa vedeti discutiile intre playeri de pe oficial, unii se plang de el ca ar fi op, altii zic ca nu e cine stie ce, topic acolo in care este postat si un screenshot minunat: http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/192392-earth-shield-overpowered/


aveti aici si poza, ca sa nu fie nevoie sa faceti prea mult efort:






aveti aici si o poza cu earth shieldu pe freakz:





se vede clar diferenta de mana dintre acel shaman (90k) si shamanul meu (100k), si diferenta dintre healurile primite din earth shield, considerabil mai mare primit de el, fara de mine, cu toate ca are mult mai putin spell power

dovezi mai mari de atat nu am ce sa aduc, mai mult decat sa testez fiecare talent in parte si sa verific daca merge sau nu, iarasi nu am ce sa fac


eu va inteleg cand spuneti ca e formula aplicata corect, ca talentele merg, ca isi ia bine din spell power, dar totusi spellul nu merge cum trebuie, si nu e ok deloc



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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 21:15:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ce vezi tu in changelog e fixul de atunci, nu tot ce e scris in changelog se face instant Raised eyebrow.
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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 21:21:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

da, probabil ai dreptate, a trecut ceva timp de cand a fost modificat si am crezut ca l-a modificat iar acum, dar oricum, nu e bine


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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 22:21:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm , de multe ori mi-a murit parteneru , ca ma obisnuisem prea mult cu earth shieldul... acum da undeva la 3k per stack...


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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 23:17:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Earth-shield-t109893.html

Confirmati prostii.

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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 23:37:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

daca tot sunteti la shaman aruncati o privire si la grounding totem...partenerul meu si-a luat trap / cyclone cu grounding jos...
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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 23:55:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Whysomadbro wrote:
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Earth-shield-t109893.html

Confirmati prostii.



te inteleg ca doresti ca druidu tau sa fie clasa suprema, dar asta nu este deloc problema mea, tu imi vi mie cu ss-uri de pe 4.1, cand a fost redus cu 20% (dupa cum ai spus si tu), eu am venit cu ss de pe 4.0.6, de pe retail, poate trebuie sa iti reamintesc faptul ca noi inca jucam pe 4.0.6, nu pe 4.1.x, n-am zis ca vreau 40-60k heal de la earth shield, am zis doar ca vreau sa mearga asa cum trebuie, ceea ce nu se intampla acum

mai clar de atat n-am cum sa fiu, ala cu 10k mana mai putin ca mine, adica mai putin intellect, adica mai putin spell power, da cu 1-2k mai mult ca mine cu earth shield, ceea ce inseamna 10-18k heal mai putin pe spell, si nici nu stiu daca avea talentul de +5% healing recieved, asa ca vezi-ti tu de druidu tau si nu te mai baga unde n-ai habar, te rog



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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 00:15:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Prietene, tu pricepi ca a fost aplicata formula de pe blizz? Te-ai gandit ca poate problema nu e la Earth Shield?

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-shaman-purification-t116007.html

Check this^
Nu stiu daca ai facut topicul dupa fix, dar asta ar putea fi unu din motive.

PS: Parerile personale tine-le pentru tine.

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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 01:24:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

e postul facut dupa fix, am zis si in primul post, stiu ca pobabil formula e aplicata bine, totusi vin cu dovezi CLARE ca NU MERGE CUM TREBUIE, tot ce a fost in puterea mea sa testez, am testat, mai departe nu depinde de mine, ci de cei care au posibilitatea sa gaseasca sursa problemei, nu inteleg care e problema ta aici totusi

explica-mi si mie, ce te deranjeaza, cu ce am gresit in topicul asta?

nu mai veni la mine cu linkuri, amintiri, si referiri la alte topicuri, daca ai ceva de zis strict despre topicul asta, vorbeste, daca nu, pa si la revedere



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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 10:44:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm acest bug ... da prea putin heal , aproape ca nici nu se pune spellpower (mie imi da cam 4 k dupa fix)
uite si dovada:






aaa si crit da in jur de 5.5 - 6 k - n-am inteles de ce

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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 19:48:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

e simplu de calculat.

EARTH SHIELD este influentat de:

10% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16213
15% altii / 21% self https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84848
15% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51881
20% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=63279

are coeficientii din spell power de (28.6% per charge)
link aici : http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient

base heal este de 1416 HEAL: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=974 (wowhead link)

DECI CALCULE PT.UN SHAMAN RESTO CU 9000 SP:

[BASE 1416 + 2574 (9000X28.6%)] + 66% din coeficienti doar = 5688.84 HEAL SELF
SI CU 61% = 5560.14 HEAL PE ALTII (DACA SPRE EXEMPLU TARGETUL ESTE WARRIOR SI ARE TALENTUL https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580 (wowhead link) ADAUGI LA CALCULE SI ASTA 6%)

va puteti calcula singuri healul dat de earth shield dupa formula de mai sus.

succes

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CAZUL DE MAI SUS CA A PUS SI POZA LA COLEGU DWARF SHAMAN:

6455 SP - HEAL FOR 4355 SELF in poza

din calcule daca are talentele si glyphul ar trebui sa ia heal [ 1416 + 1846.13 ]+ 66% = 4480.5758 HEAL

EL ia 4355 SELF deci pe aproape

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MAI SIMPLU SI MAI CLAR DECAT AM EXPLICAT MAI SUS NU SE POATE !
CEI CARE CRED CA DA PREA PUTIN HEAL SA INVETE MATEMATICA -

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REFERITOR LA COMPARAREA CELOR 2 POZE:
90K MANA http://imageshack.us/f/256/earthshield.jpg/ RETAIL
100K MANA http://imageshack.us/f/7/wowscrnshot112111210604.jpg/ FREAKZ

- ala are flametongue totem jos tu nu-l ai deci + 6% sp la el
- 10k mana dau o mizerie de 100 sau maxim 110sp (testeaza sa vezi) daca aia 10k mana ii ai din meta de 2% mana e clar ca nu dau spell power -
- ala are arma tier 2 tu tier 1 iar + 200 sp la el nu la tine

earth shield scaleaza cu sp-ul nu cu mana pool

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UN MODERATOR SA INCHIDA TOPICUL PANA NU PIERDE HRN CU 2 LA 0 IN FATA WOW-ULUI CA DEJA E 1-0 PT. WOW !

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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 21:32:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

PRIETENAS EU AM CALCULAT PE 4.0.6 CU TALENTELE SI SKILURILE DE 4.0.6

TE BATE WOW-UL GROAZNIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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am toate clasele si aici si pe retail si stiu ce draq vorbesc
pe freakz nu am intrat de 2-3 sapt. e sfarsit de sezon si farmez rating

ti-am facut si calculele pe pozele voastre ti-am explicat da degeaba esti prea pardaf (imi pare rau ca te jignesc sincer) dar esti praf rau frate apuca-te de alt joc ca asta te depaseste.



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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 21:36:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dc te crizezi ? ai druid sau cum... eu nu cred ca ai calculat bine, uita-te ca eu aveam tot dat (fata de ala de pe retail) si imi da mult mai putin, si nici nu imi da la fiecare bucata pe care o primesc ... da la cateva secunde , nici nu e folositor ca da heal , il folosesc pentru ca da increase healing pe target ... si cam atat
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Post Posted: 22-11-2011, 21:42:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

^
Bai randomule, earth shield are cd intre ticks ( ca sa vezi cat de habarnist esti) una la mana, a doua sunteti batuti in cap? Voi pricepeti ca da EXACT cat trebuie din formula?

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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 01:32:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ai putea macar sa fii respectuos pentru ca eu nu am jignit pe nimeni... deci te rog sa iti masori cuvintele - am inteles, e normal sa imi iau 4 k heal din earth shield ... cand pe retail isi ia 6 k unul mult mai slab ca mine -
vorbeste frumos pretenas -

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