[DUPLICATE] [Druid][Feral] brutal slash deals too much damage in pvp

[raven3]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=202028 (wowhead link)
Bug description: it deals way too much damage in instanced pvp
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QcZQOI43fr0:


at 0:53 we can see the feral dealing 2x butal slash each of ~ 280k crit

Did a test in arena and in ~ the same conditions a feral hit me for 360k
http://imgur.com/a/ihzpT
But I had https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=199365 (wowhead link) 10% reduced dmg taken (3/3 points)

So without it it would have been 360/0.9 = 400k

So ultimately it's ~ 280k on retail vs 400k here

note.. the video is from january before the 8% buff to most feral spells and the overal 5% nerf to agility in arena. So it's ~ the same (feral here should do ~3% more dmg than in the video but the difference it's much much higher)


A thing I would like to point out.]
Both brutal slash and shred are doing too much damage for feral but ferocios bite and bleeds are doing ok dmg.
Brutal slash and shred are based on weapon damage while the others are based on attack power.

So could it be that feral has too much weapon damage? cause I can't find any other explanation...

[Tianton]

Brutal slash is boosted 100%, about shred, it deals a little bit more then should but what i found it could even crit for 290k. But ye, here with incarn u can even hit for 400k but its very rare. Btw u said something about relic, that might be that, but after i added 3rd relic few days ago, dmg is same as before.

Auto attack dmg is correct, that might be some pvp modifer.

[Forage]

Tianton wrote:

here with incarn u can even hit for 400k but its very rare

It's actually not rare at all I saw 450k crit from shred. :/ And they can deal 400k crits consistently with the shred in incarn.

[Tianton]

No u cant, its very rare to get 400k + 300k is most that u get in incarn with crit. I was testing it again today for 1hr. But ye, shred need nerf ofc, Cuz on retail i found max 290k wihout tiger fury so +15%.

[Forage]

Well, maybe you have low ilvl or you don't have some traits idk but in arena I get shreded for 400k consistently by a feral (when he's in incarn). Maybe he uses tiger's fury aswell for those crits but still...

[Tianton]

I have 859 ilvl, 33 traits, shred around 400k with incarn u can only get with blood talon up and crit, its possible only for 15 sec after u pop incarn (cuz of trait 15% more), tiger fury up. After incarn shred seems fine for me. I was looking for some kind of pvp mod for shred, but cant find anything about that. And maybe we are talking about that one feral, that i played vs as my dk, his bleeds were ticking for like 150k rip, when mine are with bloodtaloons and crit 85k, thats questionable.
@topic maybe something is wrong with trait that ignores armor (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210666 (wowhead link)) tried on dummy seems ok, but maybe on players its bugged.

[Magicqtz]

Tianton wrote:

I have 859 ilvl, 33 traits, shred around 400k with incarn u can only get with blood talon up and crit, its possible only for 15 sec after u pop incarn (cuz of trait 15% more), tiger fury up. After incarn shred seems fine for me. I was looking for some kind of pvp mod for shred, but cant find anything about that. And maybe we are talking about that one feral, that i played vs as my dk, his bleeds were ticking for like 150k rip, when mine are with bloodtaloons and crit 85k, thats questionable. @topic maybe something is wrong with trait that ignores armor (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210666 (wowhead link)) tried on dummy seems ok, but maybe on players its bugged.

Or maybe that player/players are more skill-capped than you.

Always a player skill-capped will do more dmg with his spec, doesn't matter the calculations.

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[nyevid]

Magicqtz wrote:

Or maybe that player/players are more skill-capped than you. Always a player skill-capped will do more dmg with his spec, doesn't matter the calculations.

/ retardation > logic

only 10% of the whole [skill-capped]ish people are actually good. we're constantly encountering them in arenas, BGs and ... they are a bunch of noobs in matter of skill and management. all they have is gear which was farmed via mythic/raid spamming.

and to the damage, i may remind that you can increase your agility in arena via trinkets. also artifact trait proc can make difference, plus your timing which is very important.

you can have 3000~ increased agility via trinkets. that will make a huge difference. (images are took in skirmish arena.)
https://ibb.co/gUaHba
https://ibb.co/ePMZNF
https://ibb.co/nHMC9v

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[raven3]

nyevid wrote:

Magicqtz wrote: Or maybe that player/players are more skill-capped than you. Always a player skill-capped will do more dmg with his spec, doesn't matter the calculations. / retardation > logic only 10% of the whole [skill-capped]ish people are actually good. we're constantly encountering them in arenas, BGs and ... they are a bunch of noobs in matter of skill and management. all they have is gear which was farmed via mythic/raid spamming. and to the damage, i may remind that you can increase your agility in arena via trinkets. also artifact trait proc can make difference, plus your timing which is very important. you can have 3000~ increased agility via trinkets. that will make a huge difference. (images are took in skirmish arena.) https://ibb.co/gUaHba https://ibb.co/ePMZNF https://ibb.co/nHMC9v

You shouln't increase your primary stat (agility, intelect, str) with trinkets. If that's happening now(I doubt it) than it's a bug

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20752296052

Quote:

rule of thumb in instanced pvp: If it has a higher ilvl, its better. Doesnt matter the stats, procs, relic effect, nothing. Ilvl rules all

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Feels pretty dumb wearing agility trinkets as a resto druid, but its the right thing to do if the item level is higher.

I said this before. WHat stats you have on your gear is meaningless . for every spec/class there are predetermined stats.
So you can have full intelect trinkets as feral... you will have the same stats as someone who has full agility trinkets (and the same Ilvl of course)

[nyevid]

@raven3,

it's a bug then...

i made a topic in [general discussion] about it.

high level trinkets can give nearly 5k extra agility as of now. especially if legendary.

and doubt not!

que skirmish arena and move trinket to bag and wear them again, feel the difference.

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[raven3]

nyevid wrote:

@raven3, it's a bug then... i made a topic in [general discussion] about it. high level trinkets can give nearly 5k extra agility as of now. especially if legendary. and doubt not! que skirmish arena and move trinket to bag and wear them again, feel the difference.

it's working ok.
Did a test in arena as ww monk.
With mastery and versatility trinkets I had 18500 at 876 ilvl
and with full agility trinkets I had 18300 at 870 ilvl
so it's ok.

[nyevid]

raven3 wrote:

nyevid wrote: @raven3, it's a bug then... i made a topic in [general discussion] about it. high level trinkets can give nearly 5k extra agility as of now. especially if legendary. and doubt not! que skirmish arena and move trinket to bag and wear them again, feel the difference. it's working ok. Did a test in arena as ww monk. With mastery and versatility trinkets I had 18500 at 876 ilvl and with full agility trinkets I had 18300 at 870 ilvl so it's ok.

hmmm... strange... i got exactly the agility that trinket gives (tho those images provided are difference between NoTrinket VS agility trinket, the same was happening for mastery/haste trinket VS agility) in instanced arena. :/

it's not happening anymore.

i do agree that ferals, fury warrior and fireMage needs nerfs...

fury warrior actually killed me (a sub rogue) from 100% health to death in nearly 2 seconds (or less). (i believe there was 0.6 sec wasted since i jumped) i lost the screenshot of my skada log.
it's just unfair...

and the fact that people are actually using (WPE pro) to alter damage and buff duration is even more annoying.



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[ionci]

i get hit for 350k++ normal damage and 450k++ brutal slashes crits in 2v2. combined with a fury warrior i get 1 shoted on cloth, cand even get to block or evasion on my rogue. sometimes it feels some classes have broken templates

[raven3]

Did the same test as for shred and like shread it seems to do more damage in pvp than in pve

So with 24500 agility , without pvp template, Brutal slash hits me for 148k noncrit
With ~20k agility , with pvp templates , Brutal slash hits me for 202k

4500 from 20k translates to ~22% more agility in pve
Even if let's say .. Brutal slash should deal 10% less damage in pvp (because of that extra agility in pve) ...then 0.9 X 148k = 133k

So in the end it's 202k (what it deals right now) versus 133k.. at most (what it should deal)

[Tianton]

Yeah, if @Quicksand have some time, check one more time that Shred and Brutal Slash dmg, for me it seems "swaped" too dmg pvp and pve.