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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:02:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12357&&name=impact
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Multiple
Dovada / Proof: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Moonshardz/simple (alea 4 Kills la MoD sunt pe 25hc pe 4.3.4)

Pentru inceput doresc sa spun ca treaba asta "Nu e VIP degeaba, si-a castigat rankul si ne uitam mai repede la bug reports lui. " (Zohlomg despre Nerd), mi se pare o prostie. Nerd este un player care habar nu are de mag si plange cand ia bataie in arene de la Tryla, evident magul da prea tare si trebuie nerfat, nu RIP, rip merge bine. Nu stiu ce a facut pentru VIP ala si nici nu ma intereseaza, dar faptul ca Shockeru a reparat postul lui dupa 14 minute (ora 3:52am) in care NIMENI nu a apucat sa comenteze, mi se pare aiurea.

Deci, sa incepem cu ce e mai usor, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=44457&&name=living-bomb, se imprastie cu IMPACT pe max 3 targets, cel initial +2 cele mai apropiate, cu durata ramasa de pe targetul initial, astfel ca toate 3 explodeaza in acelasi timp. Este posibil ca un target care moare cu Living bomb pe el sa explodeze si sa dea damageul final, dar nu sunt sigur, mai cercetez si vedem. Prima parte a fost reparata corect.


https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=11129&&name=combustion are o durata de 10 secunde si un cd de 2 minute. Impact imprastie Combustion cu durata full. Daca se aplica impact din nou pe un target cu combustion, aceste se imprastie din nou cu o noua durata de 10/3= 3.3 secunde in care ticuie in fuctie de haste, teoretic cu 1/3 ticuri, adica mai pe intelesul tuturor, se aplica DIMINISHING RETURN. In cazul in care intra impact din nou, se aplica un nou combustion de 3.3/3= 1.1 secunde in care ticuie de si mai putine ori, aproape deloc.

Poate unii vor zice ca de ce nu am postat mai devreme daca stiam bugurile astea, fiind si tester pe ptr. Nu am postat pt ca am auzit ca DR la asha ceva este greu de reparat si nu aveam de gand sa fac un post care va fi ignorat.


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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:14:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.wowpedia.org/Impact
When Impact spreads [Living Bomb], it will only be spread to two additional targets. The net effect is that if the mage's most recent Living Bomb target is the same as their Impact target, that target will no longer lose the Living Bomb effect. If Living Bomb is active on multiple targets when the Impact effect is cast, Living Bomb will remain active on the most recent Living Bomb target, and will be added to two other nearby targets.


http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t129638-4_3_3_fire_mage_compendium/
Impact spreads DOTs with their current remaining duration. If you have 1 second left on your Ignite and Impact Fire Blast spread it, all affected targets will also receive an ignite with 1 second left.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3280529904#2
If you apply a 10 second DoT and Impact procs and you cast it at 6 seconds left, all the spread DoTs will be a 6 second DoT instead of the original 10 second DoT.


http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1044086-theorycrafting-Possible-to-keep-Combustion-up-the-whole-fight
Impact spreads dots with their current duration left, not their initial.




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:18:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

dc tot dai link la ce comenteaza niste nimeni care nu am auzit de ei si nu dai link la discutile de pe blizz sau la posturi de gm ?????

 
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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:20:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu inteleg rostul acestui post, impact a fost reparat recent dar nu in totalitate, mai trebuie adaugata limita de 3 targets pe living bomb si atunci va merge 100% blizzlike...pentru ce e postu asta?


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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:20:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@ulica wrote:
dc tot dai link la ce comenteaza niste nimeni care nu am auzit de ei si nu dai link la discutile de pe blizz sau la posturi de gm ?????

Da. Aia de pe wowpedia sunt niste randomi, iar tu @ulica de pe freakz esti de referinta.




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:28:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am inteles partea cu doturile imprastiate cu durata ramasa, nu am zis ca nu e asha, am dat exemplu cu 10 secunde la combustion, pt ca sa inteleaga lumea ca se poate imprastia de max 3 ori, ultimele 2 fiind mai slabe, iar a 3a chiar inutila. Nu a reparat corect Shockeru Impact, mai are putin de lucru la el. Faptul ca nu ai comentat/negat prima parte mi se pare normal, oricum stie si e de acord tot serverul.


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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:29:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si unde scrie ca le poti reaplica de 3 ori? Eu unu e prima data cand aud de asa ceva.... si zici ca a 2 si a 3 reaplicare sunt din ce in ce mai "slabe".. cu cat mai slabe si unde se vorbeste de ele?



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Si unde scrie ca le poti reaplica de 3 ori? Eu unu e prima data cand aud de asa ceva.


Mi se pare normal ca e prima data cand auzi de asha ceva, clasa ta se rezuma la rip run dead.

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Si unde scrie ca le poti reaplica de 3 ori? Eu unu e prima data cand aud de asa ceva.


Mi se pare normal ca e prima data cand auzi de asha ceva, clasa ta se rezuma la rip run dead.


Sa inteleg ca ai facut topic de QQ in care cauti doar sa plangi la adresa mea si aduci ca "proof" la reportul tau un armory de pe blizz. Esti bun -




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https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=11129&&name=combustion are o durata de 10 secunde si un cd de 2 minute. Impact imprastie Combustion cu durata full. Daca se aplica impact din nou pe un target cu combustion, aceste se imprastie din nou cu o noua durata de 10/3= 3.3 secunde in care ticuie in fuctie de haste, teoretic cu 1/3 ticuri, adica mai pe intelesul tuturor, se aplica DIMINISHING RETURN. In cazul in care intra impact din nou, se aplica un nou combustion de 3.3/3= 1.1 secunde in care ticuie de si mai putine ori, aproape deloc.

Poate unii vor zice ca de ce nu am postat mai devreme daca stiam bugurile astea, fiind si tester pe ptr. Nu am postat pt ca am auzit ca DR la asha ceva este greu de reparat si nu aveam de gand sa fac un post care va fi ignorat.


Ma eu pe cataclysm n-am vazut sau auzit de asa ceva, poate pe Mists of Pandaria e asa (desi ma indoiesc) dar in cata nu a existat acest diminishing return de care zici tu, poate aduci niste surse cu informatii solide ca altfel nu pare credibil ce explici tu acolo cu DR.


@Nerd, n-am apucat sa raspund in topicu ala ca l-au inchis, dar in raid ajung la 39% crit, deci Hot Streak nu este total mort si inca mai face treaba, desi nu inteleg cu ce te-ar interesa in raiduri ca oricum un mag fire se bazeaza in raiduri pe Imp hot streak, si ala il si boosteaza la damage oricum. Hot Streak devine mai proeminent in pvp, unde magii fire joaca la mage/frost armor si nu au crit asa mare, deci da, e vorba si de bulan, mai ales in pvp unde graficul tau demonstreaza acest lucru.



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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:39:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am inceput sa joc pe blizz pe la sfarsitul patchului 4.0.6 cand magii se distrau la maloriak, folosind impact. Dupa ce am strans ceva gear si am dat de niste mobi mai multi cu HP mai mare mi-am adus aminte de ce faceam pe Freakz, si am testat treaba asta, nu am cum sa uit asa ceva.
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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:46:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pana acum doar te plangi si arati ca ai ceva cu Nerd.
Ne aduci dovezi ?



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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 23:47:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HrVloavK8Lc:



0:55 da prima data impact =>spread, cand mai sunt cateva secunde din combustion da impact iar si nu se reaplica.

Repet proof tau ca trebuie sa functioneze asa ?




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Post Posted: 24-04-2013, 00:03:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Yes but Living Bomb is limited to 3 maximum targets. The rest (Ignite, Pyroblast(!), Combustion) are spread to all nearby targets.


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Yes but Living Bomb is limited to 3 maximum targets. The rest (Ignite, Pyroblast(!), Combustion) are spread to all nearby targets.

1. Nu ai inteles ce vrea sa raporteze tipu' de mai sus.
2. Nici un dot nu are limita de targete pe freakz (nici macar living bomb)




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