[REJECTED] [Priest] [Shadow] - Insanity Drain at Chronomatic Anomaly

[SquizTheRogue]

Bug description: At Chronomatic Anomaly on mythic we get the 30% haste increase buff in the Fast Phase and the insanity drain seems to be bugged when we have the haste debuff. I manage to get like 37 stacks with BL + the 30% haste thing + my Power Infusion and i should be able to keep so much more. I'm pretty sure the 30% haste thing bugs the drain. At Trillax,for example, i can reach 42 stacks easily, so at Chronomatic i should reach even more.
Proof: As you can see in this video, this guy keeps 52 stacks https://youtube.com/watch?v=DVMVR7JQdxk&t=63:

at 0:56. I can't record while raiding to show you the drain but it's pretty easy to test.

[Quicksand]

That was before insanity drain was nerfed. It is clearly visible that he gains 0.5 drain per second, which is NO LONGER the case. Blizzard changed the insanity drain to 6 + 0.66/s. Before it was 8 + 0.5/s.

You have to understand some things. Haste does not really affect Insanity drain at all, so Chromatic Anomaly cannot affect the drain either.

So using the 8 + 0.5/s as he had, 52 stacks would mean 34 Insanity per second.

Using 6 + 0.66/s means that already at 42 stacks you have the same 34 Insanity per second ( 6 + 0.66*42 = 34).

What blizzard did is that the drain starts way slower, but it catches up at around 12 stacks, and beyond that it drains actually faster than it did before. I will have a look at it, but I highly doubt that chromatic anomaly can affect Insanity drain whatsoever

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5584751.html?highlight=insanity

[SquizTheRogue]

It seems there was a change at Chronomatic Anomally specific for priest, because i found this : https://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?t=10151 . As you can see in comms "You get stacks faster. Take a closer look at logs.". Maybe that's not implemented here.

[enoxnores]

Quicksand wrote:

That was before insanity drain was nerfed. It is clearly visible that he gains 0.5 drain per second, which is NO LONGER the case. Blizzard changed the insanity drain to 6 + 0.66/s. Before it was 8 + 0.5/s.

https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/theory/mechanic/spell/voidform?spec=PriestShadow&&version=7_1_5_23420


Ask mr robot comment :"This is the insanity decay that can start and stop. It increases by 0.55 every second and starts at 6".
Ask mr robot foruma = -(5 + (1/3)) - (2/3) * BuffStack(VoidformDecay)
= -5.33 - 0.66/s

Comment and formula in ask mr robot don't match, i think formula is more affidable.
Anyway, it may seem very little, but 6 is not 5.33, but after 34 insanity stack, with freakz formula i lost 34*0.66=22.4 insanity more, and it's like a mindblast + half chain mind flay cast as insanity

[Quicksand]

-5.33 - 0.66 * BuffStack(VoidformDecay) => that is -6 in the first second.....

At 34 stacks you'd lose -5.33 - 0.66 * 34 = 27.77 insanity per second

[enoxnores]

Yes, i know it start at 6, but in your first comment you wrote: -6 - 0.66/s.
This is not equal ask mr robot formula (-5.33 -0.66/s), and comment in ask mr robot is different too (it says 0.55 insanity per stack, not equal al 2/3)

You calculate (your first comment) how much insanity a priest lose lose at 42 stack, with "-6 -0.66/s", and it's "-6 -0.66*42 = 33.72 => 34" , with formula like mr robot it's "-5.33 - 0.66*42 = 33.05"

Yes, you can rightly say: this different is irrilevant. But, you must to calculate how much insanity you loose for entire the duration (in few words, calculate the integral of the function), not only at 42 stack and the difference between the two formulas is: (6-5.33)*42= 28 total insanity.
This can lead us to keep voidform for additional stack.

[Quicksand]

my mistake, let me clarify things:
askrrobot uses -5.33 - 0.66/s, starting with DecayStacks = 1 => first second is -5.33 - 0.66 = -6, second stack is -5.33 - 1.33 = -6.66, etc.
we use -6 - 0.66/s, starting with DecayStacks = 0 => first second is -6 - 0 = -6, second stack is -6 - 0.66 = -6.66, etc.

The actual drain formula is implemented using AskMrRobot, I am fully aware of how it should work. I failed to express myself better, but the problem surely does not originate from the drain formula

[Nyndra]

Might the boss debuff influence the insanity drain?

Chronomatic Anomaly's "Passage of Time" states: "...these changes will affect casting, movement, and attack speeds. Periodic effects and cooldowns will also be affected".

To explain myself better, the speed buff/debuff will make the TIME PASS 30% FASTER.

[SquizTheRogue]

Maybe the Voidform stacks are not growing 30% faster as they should, like this guy said in the comments: https://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?t=10151 , as i mentioned before, and since the time passes 30% faster, the drain does too. Maybe thats the problem.

[nyevid]

Nyndra wrote:

Might the boss debuff influence the insanity drain? Chronomatic Anomaly's "Passage of Time" states: "...these changes will affect casting, movement, and attack speeds. Periodic effects and cooldowns will also be affected". To explain myself better, the speed buff/debuff will make the TIME PASS 30% FASTER.

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[sukaku]

in first coment you said, that at cronomatic u got 40+ stakcs,well everyone uses bl there when mob is up,so if u have 2 targets will help you keep the void form easyer and longer,also u cant compare 2 diferent boses since u might have multidoting on robots. at cronomatic if its faster everithing, evan a milisecon not doing the rotation perfectly with 30% faster u will lose that insanity genaration!!!

Update @ 11-02-2018, 19:54:09

in first coment you said, that at ,,cronomatic'' u got 40+ stakcs MY BAD i mean triliax

Update @ 11-02-2018, 20:02:29

also what i think could be the problem is vampiric touch, witch on retail ticks faster,and here it ends faster at high stacks,in that video u can see clearealy that he never casts VT in void form but on freakz i used full cds on dummy and i have seen that the VT ends much much faster !! if u have to reaply VTin void form u also lose rotation!! so if anyone is intrested in testing that, please do!!

[SquizTheRogue]

Regarding your post @sukaku i was talking ONLY about the first 30-40 seconds of the encounters, since we use BL on both encounters at the beginning and only on single target. The robots from Trillax will spawn later on. I didn't reapply my dots in any of these fights at the begging, so i didn't lose any insanity.

Update @ 11-02-2018, 20:38:31
Anyway in this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=DVMVR7JQdxk&t=70:

( which is posted on 12 feb. 2017, still the patch 7.1.5 ) i found this: at 0:17 the priest enters voidform with exactly 0 stacks. This means that every second in the video is equal to one voidform stack. At 0:27 he has 12 stacks instead of 10, at 0:37 he has 26 instead of 20 and so on until 0:59 where has has 52 stacks instead of 42. I said it before, and i will say it again, i don't believe that the voidform stacks are growing faster in the Fast Phase on freakz. You can clearly see that in this video, the voidform stacks are affected by the debuff.

[sukaku]

second 55 with 45 stack,u can see clearely that this guy has 5 targets !!! and in the rest of the video has over 40 stacks the same way when he have 2 or more targets!!! i am still not convinced :)

Update @ 12-02-2018, 19:34:26

please take in consideration ,2 set p, also ,do you play with shadow aparition? do you have plenty crit to proc them? u need like 35 % crit, 32% haste to play shadow priest accordingly to retail 7.1.5,i played on retail and not having crit and haste like that its the hardest spec of them all!!!!

Update @ 12-02-2018, 19:43:24

another thing, do you know when to use power word infusion? u dont use it for the hase,u use it for insanity genaration,so dont use it before u reach 25 staks of void form,about the crit i just said someone told me its for holy priest SO not true,evan now when bis stats are haste mastery if u go on retail u see best shadow priest using crit as much as they can.

[SquizTheRogue]

Please stop posting off topic, you can clearly see the god damn Voidform stacks are growing FASTER, IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY TARGETS HE HAS, and it doesnt matter if he plays with Auspicious spirits. It doesnt even matter what stats he has. WATCH THE STACKS growing way faster than one per second since THEY ARE AFFECTED BY THE 30% DEBUFF ! Stop posting this non-sense.

[sukaku]

i am posting non sense? READ THE TITLE OF YOU'RE POST, I UNDERSTAND WHAT U SAID TO ME CAUSE WE ARE IN THE SAME GUILD, BUT MAKE SURE YOURE TITLE IS WHAT U AFTER NOT DIFERENT, U ARE TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT VOID FORM DOES NOT STACKS 30% FASTER, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT INSANITY DRAIN,MAKE UP YOU'RE MIND!!! DONT CONFUSE PEOPLE !!! AND YES, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT THE STACK NOT GOING FASTER BUT ABOUT THE INSANITY DROP IT MAKE NO SENSE TO HAVE MORE STACK AND TRILIAX THAN CRONOMATIC,EVAN IF CRONOMATIC HAS ONLY NORMAL SPEED,THAN U MUST REACH AT LEAST THE STACKS LIKE TRILIAX, MAKE UP YOURE MIND, U ARE TRYING TO TELL US ABOUT INSANITY DROP OR VOID FORM NOT STAKING PROPERTLY!!!

Update @ 15-02-2018, 01:51:17

sorry about caps, u called out insanity drop when u actualy want void form staks, make dieferent reports, like 1 form void form stacks and another with insanity drop, if u dont specify what you want they will try fixing one thing and they dont look at what u realy want!!! so if u want to get them to look at void form stack make a post with the title VOID FORM STACKS, not insanity drop!!!

Update @ 15-02-2018, 01:54:30

in youre original post u are talking about haste ,bl, powervord infusion, non of these afect you stack at cronomatic, its that simple just ask for VOID FORM not stacking 30% faster so the one that will fix the bug know where to look!!! tnx for understanding