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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 12:52:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Modul de calcul corect este cel prezentat de Pufarinaa insa chiar daca se repara dmg'ul backstabului va fi acelasi pentru ca formula prezentata de nerd este incorecta .Formula pentru backstab 4.3 este 200% wp damage + 690

Aceeasi problema este si in postul lui nerd legat de ambush-- asta

Pentru ca se calculeaza (wp damage +531)*2.75 ceea ce este incorect si trebuie aplicat modul de calcul pufarinaa .Insa si aici formula prezentata de nerd este incorecta . Formula pentru Ambush 4.3 este 275% wp damage + 1009

Deci dupa fix backstab damage va fi lafel ambush damage va scadea cu 451(inainte de alte multiplicatoare)

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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 12:55:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

soulkreep wrote:
Modul de calcul corect este cel prezentat de Pufarinaa insa chiar daca se repara dmg'ul backstabului va fi acelasi pentru ca formula prezentata de nerd este incorecta .Formula pentru backstab 4.3 este 200% wp damage + 690

Aceeasi problema este si in postul lui nerd legat de ambush-- asta

Pentru ca se calculeaza (wp damage +531)*2.75 ceea ce este incorect si trebuie aplicat modul de calcul pufarinaa .Insa si aici formula prezentata de nerd este incorecta . Formula pentru Ambush 4.3 este 275% wp damage + 1009

Deci dupa fix backstab damage va fi lafel ambush damage va scadea cu 451(inainte de alte multiplicatoare)

Sursa pt formule

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Citeste postul lui Mr.Faith, a calculat la formula actuala si totusi in formule da un damage mai mic, care suna foarte bine. Totusi, ingame este cu vreo 11k mai mult.

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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 13:30:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Citeste postul lui Mr.Faith, a calculat la formula actuala si totusi in formule da un damage mai mic, care suna foarte bine. Totusi, ingame este cu vreo 11k mai mult.


Deci Faith zice ca un rogue poate da 27 k pe un target cu armura si resil .(Tehnic poate da ceva mai mult pentru ca el calculeaza pt average weapon damage nu pentru max weapon dmg) .Ai un print cu rogu ala care da backstaburi de 38 k p astfel de targeturi?


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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 13:37:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

soulkreep wrote:
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Citeste postul lui Mr.Faith, a calculat la formula actuala si totusi in formule da un damage mai mic, care suna foarte bine. Totusi, ingame este cu vreo 11k mai mult.


Deci Faith zice ca un rogue poate da 27 k pe un target cu armura si resil .(Tehnic poate da ceva mai mult pentru ca el calculeaza pt average weapon damage nu pentru max weapon dmg) .Ai un print cu rogu ala care da backstaburi de 38 k p astfel de targeturi?


Da, uita-te la postu lu Honourless.

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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 14:13:12 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Repet ceea ce vreau este sa modificati formula din primul post si sa puneti

200% wp damage + 690


Si sa modificati formula la ambush din postul asta si sa puneti

275% wp damage + 1009

Sa nu ne trezim ca se repara incorect.


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Realizezi ca in momentul de fata este formula asta, nu? Cu 200% + 690 la backstab
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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 14:30:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu

In momentul de fata formula este

(wp dmg + 345) *200%

Si unii pe aici sustineau ca ar trebui sa fie 200% wp dmg +345 ceea ce este incorect

Trebuie sa fie 200% wp dmg +690

DA este un caz fericit pentru ca (wp dmg + 345) *200%=200% wp dmg +690 dar daca se fixeaza modul de calcul dupa modelul lui pufarinaa trebuie aplicata formula corecta care implica +690 dmg


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............. Glumesti? Este fix acelasi lucru.
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soulkreep wrote:
Repet ceea ce vreau este sa modificati formula din primul post si sa puneti

200% wp damage + 690


Si sa modificati formula la ambush din postul asta si sa puneti

275% wp damage + 1009

Sa nu ne trezim ca se repara incorect.



Formula la backstab este 200%weapon damage plus 345 => care pentru ca 345 este influentat de weapon damage iti va arata in tooltip 690.
La ambush formula de baza este 190% wd plus 367, iar tie in tooltip iti va arata 190% plus an aditional 697
Atunci cand porti cutit formula va creste cu in jur de 45% (mai exact 44.7%) si va ajunge normal 275% plus 531, iar tu il vei vedea in tooltip ca 275% wd plus 1009 (367 * 2.75).

Se poate calcula ca acum cu base damage ala * wd multiplier * restul de multiplicatori, sau base dmg deja influentat de wd (cum il vezi in tooltip) * ceilalti multiplicator...sunt absolut identice modurile de calcul.


Toti aia unde ai dat tu link-uri folosesc formula din tooltip, care din cate tin eu minte sunt facute sa tina cont de stats live ale playerilor, inca de cand a inceput cata. Normal ca ei nu inmultesc acel bonus damage de la sfarsitul formulei cu weapon damage, pt ca in tooltip deja tine cont de weapon damage.

Asa ca in cazul Backstab-lui poti calcula [(wd + ap/14*ws) + 345] * 2 * ceilalti multiplicatori -> asa se calculeaza acum
Sau: [(wd + ap/14*ws) * 2 + 690] * ceilalti multiplicatori


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Post Posted: 17-12-2013, 15:02:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Fals

Observa cum calculeaza asta dmg la un mortal strike

Mortal Strike(level 60)
A vicious strike that deals 130% weapon damage plus 185.
Using Arcanite Reaper, and your character has 1000 attack power.

Attack power translates to weapon DPS at 14-1.
1000/14 = 71.4 DPS from attack power.
You also have 53.9 DPS from the weapon itself.
The DPS from attack power is calculated a little differently from the weapon damage.
From the weapon itself, you have an average damage of 205 per swing, that does not change.
What changes is, instead of your attack power converting at the actual swing speed of the weapon, it converts at a given swing speed based on the type of weapon. A 2 hander is given a base swing speed of 3.3

So your 71.4 DPS from attack power is multiplied by 3.3, giving 235.62 damage.

Making the Mortal Strike's formula:
(235+205)*1.3+185= 757 damage on average. The actual damage is a range based on weapon speed, and is also affected by talent points, self buffs, and the armor on the target.

If normalization weren't in effect, you'd have 271 damage from attack power instead of 235, making the damage result 804 on average. source

Observa cum 185 ala este adunat la sfarsit si nu inmultit cu 1.3 cum explici tu

Posturi unite automat, 17-12-2013, 15:02:48

Also daca am dreptate si acelasi mod de calcul este aplicat la toate melee classes ar fi interesant sa testam si la warriori/paladini etc care rup recountu in pve


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Exemplu la obliterate:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2516691772?page=4#64

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According to the simcraft sourcecode, obliterate is calculated as follows.

(Weapon Damage + 650) * (OblitWpnDmg * (1 + (annihilation + glyph) * 1.25


Era mai pe la inceputul topicului link-ul asta: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/988456-4-3-Sub?p=13460295&&viewfull=1#post13460295
si arata pe tooltip la backstab la additional damage 1381 care era fix 345 * 2 * 1.4 * 1.3 * 1.1

Si hmm @ warrior am mai gasit ceva: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1869219520?page=5#82

Bine ca sunt la alte clase, dar ca idee...in ultimul link chiar sunt si screenshots si cu dmg calculat si se vede ca este corect.

Asa ca ar fi frumos sa fie postate screenshots @ backstab de pe blizz, nu pentru mine ca eu stiu cum functioneaza; ci pentru cei care nu stiu sa se documenteze suficient.

Tooltip backstab @12 mai 2012: http://web.archive.org/web/20120512171649/http://www.wowhead.com/spell=53 (Click pe link sa se incarce)

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Post Posted: 18-12-2013, 22:58:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

point tanken .Da ai dreptate -

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soulkreep wrote:
Well basically thare are about 3 pages of people qq'ing about rogue damage .

Some say that backstab damage should be calculated as 200%*wp dmg +345

Some say backstab damage should be calculated as 200%*(wp dmg+ 345)

And I say that neither is correct and backstab damage should be 200%*wp dmg +690

Care to join in our discussion?
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-3621774.html?#3621774


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