[Raid][The Emerald Nightmare] Il'gynoth

[CocoDev]

Hello @Zubrowka, please show some proofs about what you have said. I really don't think that the spawn timers or tentacle position are not correct.

[zubrowka]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lBusVMeZ1Bs:



27 Man Raid and the HP of the mobs is slightly higher than was for our 15 man raid today. We did it on HC aswell.

[CocoDev]

You understood me wrong, i need proofs that on freakz is how you said it is then i ll compare with ones from the video!

[zubrowka]

@CocoDev

Looks like the HP of mobs and boses does not scale to the size of the raid.
When you look on my minimap in the screenshots it says 30 man even tho we are only 15.
Check the screenshots and the Video from retail.

This happens on Normal, Heroic and Mythic mode.


Freakz:

15 Man Normal Mode:
HP Dominator: 42.8m
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/R7HgC

HP Eye: 1.3G
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/dPIgw



Retail:
25 Man Normal

Dominator: 42 m HP

Proof:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GG0s1WIwWZM:

[checkmage55]

CocoDev wrote:

Okay, i'll fix everything you said above, but could you please tell me exactly how much health does the Hearth must have? I'll make a fix that will take 33% (or less) of current Heart's health each time the Eye of Il'gynoth is defeated, and i will delay the second phase for 40 seconds just to be able to defeat it for now, later on i'll bring it back to 50 when you get more gear. Also, i'll look into the mind flay interrupt problem, but i have one more question about it, does anyone knows if you can interrupt the channeling on blizz as well or only the initial cast? Furthermore, i'll try to look into and correct the Nightmare Horror's behavior. Please post bellow the answer of the questions I asked only if you are 100% sure that what are you saying is true.

@CocoDev: Could you please post an update here in case of the following change when you make it live:
and i will delay the second phase for 40 seconds

[Maev]

CocoDev wrote:

Okay, i'll fix everything you said above, but could you please tell me exactly how much health does the Hearth must have? I'll make a fix that will take 33% (or less) of current Heart's health each time the Eye of Il'gynoth is defeated, and i will delay the second phase for 40 seconds just to be able to defeat it for now, later on i'll bring it back to 50 when you get more gear. Also, i'll look into the mind flay interrupt problem, but i have one more question about it, does anyone knows if you can interrupt the channeling on blizz as well or only the initial cast? Furthermore, i'll try to look into and correct the Nightmare Horror's behavior. Please post bellow the answer of the questions I asked only if you are 100% sure that what are you saying is true.

Hello @ Il'gynoth Normal

with 10 man the heart must have 111M hp

https://youtube.com/watch?v=40rG00LhAD8&t=5:



15 ppl the heart must have 180,16M

https://youtube.com/watch?v=McHuF04nQjk:




With the difference of 5 ppl betwen the raids wich is 69 M Hp +/- for boss (the heart ) that means the boss must gain / lose 13,8M Hp per person added or removed in raid .

with 20 ppl must have 249,16 M hp

with 25 PPL must have 318,16M hp


@ Il'gynoth Heroic :

with 30 PPL in raid must have 481M Hp

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BfuvQf_J9-8&t=210:




With 28 PPL must have 447 M Hp

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MfQrnRFSB-k:




With the difference of 2 ppl betwen the raids wich is 34 M HP +/- for boss ( the Heart ) that means that the boss must gain / lose 17M HP per person added in raid or removed .

with 25 ppl must have 396 M HP

with 20 ppl Must have 311 M HP

I hope it Helped you

[CocoDev]

Updated the main post!

[zubrowka]

CocoDev wrote:

Updated the main post!

Does HP of Adds, Eye and Ilgynoth now scale with raidsize?

Don't see this Info in main post or am I blind?

[Cartmon1337]

The tentacles are meant to continue to spawn and apply pressure to the raid group to kill them and the ichor in time, however if you kill the horror and tentacles and someone kills 1 or 2 ichor away from the eye, no more tentacles spawn and you are left with no way to get inside the eye forcing the raid to have to run into the eye to suicide wipe and start all over again.

[zubrowka]

Cartmon1337 wrote:

The tentacles are meant to continue to spawn and apply pressure to the raid group to kill them and the ichor in time, however if you kill the horror and tentacles and someone kills 1 or 2 ichor away from the eye, no more tentacles spawn and you are left with no way to get inside the eye forcing the raid to have to run into the eye to suicide wipe and start all over again.

What's the problem?

[CocoDev]

Hello @cartmon1337, there is no chance to be like that absolutely zero, the tentacles or the nightmare horror have no connection between them.

[Cartmon1337]

@CoCoDev I'm not saying there's any connection between the tentacles and the horror, I'm saying the tentacles should continue to spawn until the eye has been defeated in the first phase both time. If a dps is an idiot and kills an ichor away from the eye the whole raid should not be punished by having to suicide and retry from the beginning.

http://www.wowhead.com/ilgynoth-strategy-guide
"The fight has a rhythmic flow of killing the large adds, then using downtime between add spawns to kite Nightmare Ichors to the Eye of Il'gynoth and blowing them up to damage the Eye. Adds will continue to spawn for as long as the Eye of Il'gynoth is alive, so if players miss with some of the Nightmare Ichors' Nightmare Explosions, the fight is still recoverable."

The important part here is "Adds will continue to spawn for as long as the Eye of Il'gynoth is alive"

The issue is the adds do not continue spawning and like I said if a dps is an idiot and kills ichor away from the eye the whole raid has to run into the eye to kill themself because nothing else spawns and there's no other way to restart to encounter.

[CocoDev]

Oh, now I see what I've done there, basically as I saw in some Il'gynoth guides, in all of them they were killing the boss after all the tentacles were spawned only twice, but I didn't really knew at that time that the spawn events should be repeated untill the eye of il'gynoth is killed. So, I just tried to make it easier for players but i ended up making it harder. I'll fix this soon, perhaps could please tell me some of spawn timers as I can't really find them in any video? Now I remember that I used those http://imgur.com/a/slaqU , but I didn't read first part of the table "Showing minimum required spawns to defeat boss;".

[Cartmon1337]

I've not been able to find a complete spawn timer list, everyone seems to just always refer to the table that you've used already.
In the fatboss n+hc video he does mention that in the second phase one if you are too slow you will have 4 corruptors spawn right at the eye, this is at 10minutes into the video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=92xokhw3AV8:

[Ozzydany]

Hi guys i tried today with my guild Il'gynoth Mythic and at the pull we got one shotted by the tentacles .
Here are some photos from combat log http://imgur.com/a/jNNaE
We tried 3 or 4 times , the last time we used cd to survive to this but was not enough.