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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 11:36:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51128 (wowhead link) (in 3.3.5a este rank 5)
Descrierea bugului: la Rank 5 face proc odata la fix 10 secunde - ar trebui sa faca si cate 2-3 procuri la rand cum se poate vedea aici (de la 3:32 mai departe) http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=158709
E un talent de baza pentru DK si cam distruge rotatia daca merge asa
Dovada: nu pot sa arat prin poze si ar dura prea mult la internetul meu sa uploadez un video... daca poate cineva ar fi binevenit. Cred ca Shocker a facut mai de mult un fix la spellul asta si stie de faza cu 10 secunde.

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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 15:13:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mast3r67 wrote:
Wowhead spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51128 (wowhead link) (in 3.3.5a este rank 5)
Descrierea bugului: la Rank 5 face proc odata la fix 10 secunde - ar trebui sa faca si cate 2-3 procuri la rand cum se poate vedea aici (de la 3:32 mai departe) http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=158709
E un talent de baza pentru DK si cam distruge rotatia daca merge asa
Dovada: nu pot sa arat prin poze si ar dura prea mult la internetul meu sa uploadez un video... daca poate cineva ar fi binevenit. Cred ca Shocker a facut mai de mult un fix la spellul asta si stie de faza cu 10 secunde.


Nu am inteles exact bugul, a fost greseala mea
Cum ar fi trebuit sa functioneze: http://www.wowwiki.com/Procs_per_minute -





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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 15:19:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

KM a fost ceva dezbatut mult si pe forumul de pe retail, nu arata si nu se stie sigur care e sansa de proc in procente. Nu poti sa spui ca
"1data la 10 sec" sau chestii de genu asta. KM e conceput sa procuiasca la fel daca folosesti dualwelding sau 1arma 2h.



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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 15:33:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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KM e conceput sa procuiasca la fel daca folosesti dualwelding sau 1arma 2h.

Alta DUMA !! venind de la o persoana care "joaca" dk.
De ce nu se uita lumea pe linkul pe care l-am dat ?

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The mechanics of this talent have changed in patch 3.0.8. Rather than requiring critical hits it now uses a proc-per-minute system. Killing Machine seems to proc 5-8 times per minute, or 10-15 times per minute if you're using two weapons.
- patchul in care a si fost nerfuit acest talent.
Cititi PPM si vedeti cum puteti "imbunatati" proc chance-ul ca sa ajungeti la cel din release notes.



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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 15:48:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm ca este o data la EXACT 10 secunde, adica maxim 6 PPM.
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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 20:05:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Abia am vazut ce s-a postat dupa bug reportul meu... "DUMA" (wtf?) esti tu ca te bagi intreaba fara sa ai habar despre ce este vorba. Cum am zis si cu a confirmat Zohlomg procul este fix la 10 secunde (puteti testa lasand caracterul pe autoattack pe un target dummy si o sa vedeti ca bufful isi face refresh odata la 10 secunde).
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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 21:22:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

corectati-ma dak gresesc in leg cu un KM: are duratia de 15 de sec sau cam asa cv p dk parca, corect? daaar https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51130&&name=killing-machine duration N/A deeci e cam bug...same issue cu https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=53256&&name=cobra-strikes si probabil si alte talente care nu-mi trec prin cap
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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 23:01:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Confirm ca este o data la EXACT 10 secunde, adica maxim 6 PPM.

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Killing Machine seems to proc 5-8 times per minute, or 10-15 times per minute if you're using two weapons.


Propun sa se puna odata la 5 secunde macar, adica 12 PPM (folosesc doua 1h weapons, nu cred ca se joaca frost cu 2hand)

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Post Posted: 07-03-2011, 23:49:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mast3r67 wrote:
Abia am vazut ce s-a postat dupa bug reportul meu... "DUMA" (wtf?) esti tu ca te bagi intreaba fara sa ai habar despre ce este vorba. Cum am zis si cu a confirmat Zohlomg procul este fix la 10 secunde (puteti testa lasand caracterul pe autoattack pe un target dummy si o sa vedeti ca bufful isi face refresh odata la 10 secunde).


Da revin si eu cu rectificarea ca la 5/5 puncte in KM se procuie la fix 10 secunde.
Imi cer scuze pentru greseala facuta nu aveam 5/5 si de asta nu-mi procuia odata la 10 secunde si de asta nu intelegeam.
Nu tine cont de haste/weapon speed cum trebuie (dovezile pentru aceste afirmatii in linkurile de mai sus) nici partea cu diferenta intre 2H sau DW nu functioneaza, procul este static de 10 secunde fara sa fie afectat de ceva. In plus din testarile facute am observat ca timerul pentru noul proc incepe doar dupa ce consumi KM, aici nu cred ca asa ar trebuii sa mearga caci nu vad cum ai putea prinde 10-15 intr-un minut folosing DW decat daca procul are loc la 5-6 secunde.

Test cu 4/5 KM - durata ar fi la fiecare 15 secunde
https://youtube.com/watch?v=q7_ZzDnjrDg:




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Post Posted: 24-03-2011, 23:54:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm bugul.
am jucat frost dk dw pe retail inca de la lansarea wotlk (acum in cata joc 2h frost)
armory link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/twlsted/simple

am postat aceste informatii pentru ca dumneavoastra sa vedeti ca nu vorbiti cu un novice sau un copilas care se trezeste vorbind.
(joc pe retail si pe freaks si in acest timp cand postez)
dupa cum stiti talentul s-a schimbat in cata devenind un talent de 3 puncte
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sa revenim la oile noastre: killing machine proc chanse.
exista cateva modificari facute la talent in patchul 3.0.8.
The mechanics of this talent have changed in patch 3.0.8. Rather than requiring critical hits it now uses a proc-per-minute system. Killing Machine seems to proc 5-8 times per minute, or 10-15 times per minute if you're using two weapons.
sursa: http://www.wowwiki.com/Killing_Machine
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astfel nr. de procuri este putin controlat de internal cd, bun nimic mai adevarat dar problema la dw (dual wield) este ca fiecare arma are un cd diferit si alt timer pentru sansa de proc.
toate site-urile performante de genul mmo-champ / eltist / skillcaped / arenajunkies la posturile despre frost DK dw din perioada 3.0.8- 3.3.5 (wotlk patches)
faceau mentiuni si referire la procurile de killing machine si TOATE buildurile si sfaturile erau sa se foloseasca numai 3 talente puse in Killing Machine tocmai pentru procul " dublu " dat de fiecare arma in parte si de faptul ca NU aveai RP sa dai frost strike la toate procurile date de killing machine daca ai fi pus 5 puncte si daca erai dw.

filmulet guide pe wowmovies din vremea respectiva: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=158709

nu gasesc acum chiar toate posturile acelor vremuri (multe au fost sterse chiar de ei dupa aparitia exp.cata pt. a face loc noilor informatii) cert este ca am revenit pe freaks pe fostul meu dk (frost dw) si am remarcat anumite probleme:
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-procul este bun (da procul este limitat nr.proc/ in unitatea de timp ceea ce este bine)
DAR ar trebui pt.fiecare arma in parte la dw si ar trebui sa procuie unul peste altul (mai ales daca pui 5 puncte in talent) astfel daca nu ai rp sau esti incet de manuta (keybinds is a must la frost dw) procul nou il inlocuieste pe cel vechi
din ce am testat cu recount nu am proc la fiecare arma in parte (aici cred eu ca este problema) pentru ca si mh si offh ar trebui sa procuie killing machine la hit fiecare arma independent de cealalta (dar procurile se inlocuiesc daca nu sunt folosite exemplu: procul de offh il inlocuieste pe cel de mh)
aceasta problema face ca un dk dw frost cu un dps decent de 12-14k sa ajunga la 9-10k dps. in raidurile de 25
ajung sa fac rp dump fara nici un proc de km foarte foarte foarte des
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sper draga sokere sa ai timp si sa arunci o privire peste aceasta mica problema.
imi cer scuze daca nu pot veni cu linkuri spre fixuri la scripturi.

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Post Posted: 25-03-2011, 19:29:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Post Posted: 18-04-2011, 15:36:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dupa cum stiu unii, prioritatea la frost dw cea mai mare : este Killing machine-> frost strike, ajung sa dau full rp dump fara un crit.


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Post Posted: 04-05-2011, 22:26:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Se mai rezolva ceva cu KM ? Deoarece Km procuieste acum la rank 5 cum procuieste pe retail la rank 1 .... Dupa cum spune si http://www.wowwiki.com/Killing_Machine - Killing Machine seems to proc 5-8 times per minute, or 10-15 times per minute if you're using two weapons.
1. Este vorba de Rank 1 in ceea ce zice mai sus
2. Dupa cum zic si ei Note that 5/5 Killing Machine makes spending points in Deathchill quite unnecessary due to the high proc rate.

Dar oha high proc rate , avem sansa la 5/5 ca la 1/5 ... din start frost dk pierde in jur de 15-20% dps ...

Sper sa se rezolve

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Post Posted: 05-05-2011, 14:58:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shocker wrote:
E prea "invaziv" fixul, nu-mi place, o sa ma ocup eu de el cand am timp


cam asta e rasp la cam toate posturile cand vine vba de un fix la DK...mai avem de asteptat...




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Post Posted: 07-05-2011, 14:06:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Harlequin wrote:
Shocker wrote:
E prea "invaziv" fixul, nu-mi place, o sa ma ocup eu de el cand am timp


cam asta e rasp la cam toate posturile cand vine vba de un fix la DK...mai avem de asteptat...

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