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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 18:06:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

deci eu iti zic ca eu cu shamanau shoryurepa in guild runs eram mereu intre primii 5 .. pote sa zic restu din guildu method si nu nu erau care nu dadeau dps ca mereu primii 10 la dps erau peste 15 k deci ..
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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 18:37:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

La noi in guilda daca avem 2 warloci, 3 rogi, 2-3 magi...Eu nu ma prea vad decat in primii 10, primii 5 e clar de cine e ocupat.

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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 21:20:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

benitoo1 wrote:
nu e bug cu 4 t10 asa trebuie sa fie in functie de haste sa tickuiasca si ofc daca ai haste mare logic ca se duce imediat flame shocku ..



gresesti amice este buguit este buguit 4 t10 trebuie sa iti adauge 5-6 sec la flame shock .tooltipul zice at least 2 ticks deoarece la 0% haste 2 tick'uri =6 secunde cu cat ai mai mult haste cu atat o sa iti bage mai multe tick'uri in alea 6 secunde

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Post Posted: 31-05-2011, 00:32:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu gandesti logic deloc, si am vazut mereu greseala asta.
cand vorbim de spelluri de damage over time afectate de haste, ideea e ca la haste mare se micsoreaza DURATA dintre tickuri, adica acelasi numar de tickuri, insa pe o perioada mai scurta.
acum bonusul zice asa ca lb adauga cel putin 2 tickuri de damage la flame shock, atentie 2 TICKURI, care sunt afectate la randul lor de haste. nu adauga 2 tickuri la 0 haste, adica cate 3 secunde, ci 2 tickuri la cat haste ai, ergo mareste durata la flame shock nu cu atat de mult, ci mai putin.

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Post Posted: 31-05-2011, 04:50:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

de acord cu tine in privinta la haste care afecteaza doturile insa dupa logica ta bonusul de 4 t10 ar adauga 2 tick'uri afectate d haste la sfarsitul flame shock'ului care ar ajuta shamanul extrem d putin .Bonusul d 4 t10 functioneaza pe principiul ca extinde durata flame shock'ului pentru a elibera un gcd in care ar trebui sa recastezi flame shock si in schimb sa inlocuiesti cu un spell mai puternic .
De asemenea daca ar fii asa cum spui tu cuvintele "at least" ar fii absolut inutile ar trebui sa scrie "adds 2 ticks bla bla bla" pt ca se subintelege ca flame shock e afectat de haste .


blue text - Quote from: Eyonix

In the next minor content patch we’re making a change to the tier-10 elemental shaman 4-piece set bonus. In addition to lowering Lava Burst’s cooldown, this bonus also no longer requires Flame Shock to be present in order for Lava Burst to be a guaranteed critical strike.

Update: The Shaman Tier 10 bonus has been redesigned and will no longer reduces the cooldown of Lava Burst or enables Lava Burst to be guaranteed to critical strike without Flame Shock present. Instead successful Lava Burst casts now increase the duration of Flame Shock on the target by 6 seconds.

// explicatia la tooltip

The reason the wording is so strange is simply because it adds as many ticks as can fit within 6 seconds of ticking. If your haste lowers the tick time down to 2 seconds, it will add 3 ticks. If your haste lowers the tick time down to 1.5 seconds, it will add 4 ticks. If you have no haste at all, it will add 2 ticks. Thus, "at least two ticks". It's also worth noting that the tick time is calculated using the haste that you have at the time of application, so your opening Flame Shock won't benefit from your Totem stacks. Thus, it will be slow and weak (assuming you are also gaining raid buff procs after your Flame Shock goes up like Demonic Pact.

It only takes 50% haste to reach a 2-second tick, which is 1,269 haste + 3% + 5% (Ret/Moonkin, Wrath of Air). This is a very easy benchmark to meet with current gear, assuming you're gemming correctly.

It takes 100% haste to reach a 1.5-second tick, which is 1,387 haste + 3% + 5% + Bloodlust, or 778 haste if you also include Elemental Mastery. This means that using Elemental Mastery right as Bloodlust is about to expire will make your Flame Shock ticks incredibly fast, and an extension will add four more ticks each time, though it will expire very quickly as the initial duration is only 9 seconds.


deci da e buguit la noi adauga 2 tick'uri si atat

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Post Posted: 31-05-2011, 11:36:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

QED


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Post Posted: 31-05-2011, 23:20:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

1, nu-ti vad specul, esti pvp
2, nu esti nici pe departe end game gear
3, esti stackat gresit, ai ajuns la 3.5k spell power si totusi dabea ai 1k haste? esti shaman, de la 3k sp cu flametongue pe tine bagi haste pana te bate gcd la lb

a zis cineva sa schimbi phylactery cu cts, cea mai mare prostie, bis sunt cts cu phylactery, la end game gear cu shamanul ajungi oricum cu haste capat, sp destul de mult, si incepi sa bagi crit pe unde poti, deci phylactery e baza, mai ales ca procu e imba

rotatia e rotatie, da de totem swap ati auzit?

it's a miracle, in combat se pot schimba totemele intre ele, iti iei totemul pe frosturi si totemul pe triumph, cele cu proc de haste, se stacheaza efectul la ele, faci macro si la proc full schimbi totemul, si tot asa, in loc sa ai 220 haste cu 45 sec icd, sau cat are, in timpul ala mai ai inca 200 de la celalalt totem=imba

foarte, foarte important e sa ai raid bufferii cu tine, raidurile de 25

adica nu trebuie sa lipseasca lock demo, pentru coe si 500 sp pe raid de la pet, efectul din talente, etc etc
boomkin= efect de 3% hit rating
shadow priest= efect de 3% hit rating
tu ai 12-13% hit rating cat sti tu ca e capul, dar capul acela e calculat in situatiile in care ai shadow priest si boomkin in raid, capul la shaman ele este de peste 18% hit chance

hunter BM, pentru 5% (parca) increased dmg
arcane mage, pentru focus magic
lista continua, orice abatere de la un raid de 25 bine construit duce la o performanta mai slaba a dps-ului tau

ca idee, in caz ca nu stiai shamanul ele are 3 iteme BIS care nu sunt mail, si anume:
http://old.wowhead.com/item=54584
http://old.wowhead.com/item=50694
http://old.wowhead.com/item=50699

fa rost de ele, pune cts cu phylactery, cauta-ti macro de totem swap, scoate din soketele alea cu 23 spell power si baga 12 sp +10 haste in red si 20 haste in yellow

sa imi zici ce diferente observi la dps-ul tau, daca ai avut rabdare sa citesti tot wall of text-u



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Post Posted: 01-06-2011, 09:52:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

defapt http://old.wowhead.com/item=54582 sunt bis nu alea d leather
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la full bis stackezi haste. Bracerele leather au slot yellow si bonus sp, cele cloth au slot rosu si bonus sp > 20 haste + 5sp in loc de 20 haste + 0sp. In rest nu este nici o diferenta.

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soulkreep wrote:
de acord cu tine in privinta la haste care afecteaza doturile insa dupa logica ta bonusul de 4 t10 ar adauga 2 tick'uri afectate d haste la sfarsitul flame shock'ului care ar ajuta shamanul extrem d putin .Bonusul d 4 t10 functioneaza pe principiul ca extinde durata flame shock'ului pentru a elibera un gcd in care ar trebui sa recastezi flame shock si in schimb sa inlocuiesti cu un spell mai puternic .
De asemenea daca ar fii asa cum spui tu cuvintele "at least" ar fii absolut inutile ar trebui sa scrie "adds 2 ticks bla bla bla" pt ca se subintelege ca flame shock e afectat de haste .


blue text - Quote from: Eyonix

In the next minor content patch we’re making a change to the tier-10 elemental shaman 4-piece set bonus. In addition to lowering Lava Burst’s cooldown, this bonus also no longer requires Flame Shock to be present in order for Lava Burst to be a guaranteed critical strike.

Update: The Shaman Tier 10 bonus has been redesigned and will no longer reduces the cooldown of Lava Burst or enables Lava Burst to be guaranteed to critical strike without Flame Shock present. Instead successful Lava Burst casts now increase the duration of Flame Shock on the target by 6 seconds.

// explicatia la tooltip

The reason the wording is so strange is simply because it adds as many ticks as can fit within 6 seconds of ticking. If your haste lowers the tick time down to 2 seconds, it will add 3 ticks. If your haste lowers the tick time down to 1.5 seconds, it will add 4 ticks. If you have no haste at all, it will add 2 ticks. Thus, "at least two ticks". It's also worth noting that the tick time is calculated using the haste that you have at the time of application, so your opening Flame Shock won't benefit from your Totem stacks. Thus, it will be slow and weak (assuming you are also gaining raid buff procs after your Flame Shock goes up like Demonic Pact.

It only takes 50% haste to reach a 2-second tick, which is 1,269 haste + 3% + 5% (Ret/Moonkin, Wrath of Air). This is a very easy benchmark to meet with current gear, assuming you're gemming correctly.

It takes 100% haste to reach a 1.5-second tick, which is 1,387 haste + 3% + 5% + Bloodlust, or 778 haste if you also include Elemental Mastery. This means that using Elemental Mastery right as Bloodlust is about to expire will make your Flame Shock ticks incredibly fast, and an extension will add four more ticks each time, though it will expire very quickly as the initial duration is only 9 seconds.


deci da e buguit la noi adauga 2 tick'uri si atat

baga asta la bug report, cu link cu tot.

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la full bis stackezi haste. Bracerele leather au slot yellow si bonus sp, cele cloth au slot rosu si bonus sp > 20 haste + 5sp in loc de 20 haste + 0sp. In rest nu este nici o diferenta.


din cate stiu eu sp>haste>crit (odata ce esti hit capped) haste isi pierde putin din valoare cand incepe sa iti bage lvb sub gcd insa nu destul sa devina mai putin valoroasa decat critul .la bis gear unde o sa ai o tona d haste bagi spell power si cum bracerele d cloth au mai mult haste decat cele d leather + gem slot rosu zic eu ca sunt mai bune:D

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Wow merci de reply.
Daca imi duc pasive haste-ul mai mult de 1150 Haste...ajung cu Lightning B la 1.1 cast si lava Burst 0.9 lucru care nu mi-l doresc pt ca odata activat Elemental Mastery de exemplu ajung sub gc, daca mai am un Boomkin in party iar ajung sub gc.
220 Haste de la totem + 5% de la Wrath of Air ma duce dincolo de gc.
Cat despre totem swap, am incercat un boss si m-a durut capul...imi mananca un gc chiar daca am 200 haste mai multe eu consider acel gc f pretios, e aproape o secunda in care nu castezi, chiar daca urmatoarea vraja o sa aiba 200 haste...nu vad cum poate sa compenseze 200 haste pt un gc.

Posturi unite automat, 01-06-2011, 15:30:30

Si inca odata oameni buni, nu mai cititi printre randuri, am spus ca sunt aproape end gier. un 6.4k GS nu e o nimica toata.



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Post Posted: 01-06-2011, 15:55:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cu bonusus de 4 t10 asa e cum am zis eu e in functie de haste pt ca si lumea se plangea pe oficial ca shamanul ele are bonusu de 4 t10 cel mai slab dintre toate clasele ...deci asta e si oricum nu se merita totem swap cand ai deja haste amre pt ca duci lava sub 1 sec si degeba de te chinui sa faci swap la totems. in rest go with shammy :)de fapt nici black magic nu se merita cand ai haste mare da fiecare joaca cum vrea -
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soulkreep wrote:
Setemotion wrote:
la full bis stackezi haste. Bracerele leather au slot yellow si bonus sp, cele cloth au slot rosu si bonus sp > 20 haste + 5sp in loc de 20 haste + 0sp. In rest nu este nici o diferenta.


din cate stiu eu sp>haste>crit (odata ce esti hit capped) haste isi pierde putin din valoare cand incepe sa iti bage lvb sub gcd insa nu destul sa devina mai putin valoroasa decat critul .la bis gear unde o sa ai o tona d haste bagi spell power si cum bracerele d cloth au mai mult haste decat cele d leather + gem slot rosu zic eu ca sunt mai bune:D




am scris si mai sus, la end game pe shaman ai destul haste si destul sp, te apuci sa bagi crit pe unde poti, deci yellow soket>red, trust me, lether> cloth la wrist alea, i know my shamy

nu va mai ganditi la sp stack pe shaman, cu procuri de la trinkete si toate nebuniile ajungi la 8k sp in anumite momente, ~4-4.5k pe toata durata encounterelor de 25, nu va mai uitati la 10-15-30 sp, nu se merita, stacati haste pana va bate gcd-u si dupa aia crit cat puteti



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