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Post Posted: 12-09-2011, 05:42:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Haste will reduce all dots ticks time but wont reduce overall time of the DoT. For example Corruption will be always 18sec, bane of agony 24 sec Unstable affliction 15 seconds. Now their time is reduced, having 20 seconds bane of agony etc
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http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/712942-Guide-Channelled-Spell-amp-DoT-Mechanics-in-Cataclysm

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Post Posted: 12-09-2011, 23:49:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am testat faza cu clipping spamand corruption si agony la intervale diferite dar nu merge cum zice acolo , cat despre haste , uite niste printuri care arata ca nu functioneaza cum zice acolo ( observati eradication de pe mine in poza nr.2 si cum se schimba duratia la dot) .


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/haste1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/haste2.jpg/


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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 06:05:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eradication nici n-ar trebui sa-ti dea haste la doturi, da Spell Casting Speed.
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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 11:14:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu stiu exact cum e cu cata dar uite in postul lu asta a zis asa : " Assume you have 20% haste + Eradication + Heroism + Aura on a Unstable Affliction (15s duration, 5 ticks every 3 seconds) " deci probabil s'a schimbat si eradicationu fk knows , ideea e ca nu merg cum trebuie doturile Sigh

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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 11:36:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

poi eradication tre sa dea doar cast speed adik castezi mai rpd (nu functioneaza ca haste)
In skimb daca haste la dots ar functiona cum tre ar trebui sa reduca durata dotului si sal faca sa loveasca tot de atatea ori cat tre in durata normala. In alte cuvinte reduce durata dintre tickuri si automat si durata totala.
Un dot are un numar exact de tickuri => daca reduci durata dintre ele=> reduci si durata totala.

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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 12:12:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

undertakerbro wrote:

Un dot are un numar exact de tickuri => daca reduci durata dintre ele=> reduci si durata totala.


asta era pe wotlk... pe cataclysm hasteul afecteaza doturile in alt mod.. mai precis adauga tickuri in acea durata initiala a dotului





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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 12:30:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci, esti affliction.
1) Clipping la Corruption pe Affliction ? Ai Everlasting Affliction , nu e nevoie sa reaplici manual / sa tii cont de regulile noi de refresh;
2) Bane of Agony e un DoT special, clipping, mai exact refresh-ul acestui DoT nu e recomandat. De ce ? Pentru ca Bane of Agony are o scala mai speciala decat celelalte DoT-uri privind tick-urile, incepe cu tick-uri cu damage relativ mic si rapide apoi unele regulate, facand refresh la BOA la final dupa regulile de clipping pierzi ultimul tick care da si cel mai mare damage, care e overwritten de noul tick rapid si slab ca damage al noului BOA (reimprospatat).

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Am testat faza cu clipping spamand corruption si agony la intervale diferite dar nu merge cum zice acolo , cat despre haste , uite niste printuri care arata ca nu functioneaza cum zice acolo ( observati eradication de pe mine in poza nr.2 si cum se schimba duratia la dot

Multi nu inteleg noul sistem de haste. In al doilea screenshot, Eradication mai avea 4secunde, assuming ca Eradication iti creste haste-ul, cresc si intervalele de timp dintre tickurile de Corruption. Asta inseamna ca avand tickuri la intervale de timp mai mic, durata DoT-ului e mai mica, care e problema aici ?

Sa testezi sistemul de haste, fa asa, la <25% haste pune corruption pe dummy, vezi cate tickuri ai, apoi pune sth, socket/gem sa faci 25% si pune iar Corruption, si spune rezultatul.



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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 12:36:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pai problema mea este urmatoarea , daca ai citit postul lu primu om si ai dat click pe linkul acela , ala de pe blizz iti explica cum indiferent ca ai 109312032190321 k haste DURATIA DOTULUI va ramane la fel de mare , in nici un caz nu se va scurta ( dupa regulile CATA ) pe cand la noi pe server se scurteaza ( print cu eradication ) .Cat despre clipping eu am postat doar ca sa fie " ca pe retail" iti dai seama ca nu sunt retardat sa dau spam de corruption si agony wtf

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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 12:50:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

rofl, unde ai auzit tu ca duratia ramane la fel ? wrong piece of info, nu tot ce gasesti pe google e adevarat.
LE - Se rotunjeste durata in functie de ticks, adica e cam aceeasi durata daca permite haste-ul extra tickuri, dar nu e exact aceeasi durata, se schimba valoarea, nu cu foarte mult. Posibil sa ai dreptate, in legatura cu vechiul sistem de haste, ca e tot ala..

Posturi unite automat, 13-09-2011, 13:50:35

Ce s-a schimbat la haste - Inainte era crescut intervalul de timp dintre tickuri implicit durata DoTului in cauza era scazut, acum pe Cataclysm, se adauga 1-2-3 extra ticks in functie de haste in durata initiala a DoT-ului.
Ce ai zis tu, e partial corect, DoTul isi modifica durata, daca nu ai haste sa iti permita un extra tick,.
Sa iti dau un exemplu, teoretic, am 15% haste, Immolate are 6 tickuri la intervale de 2,60sec si are o durata de 15,65 sec.
Apoi am 29% haste, Immolate tot 6 tickuri la intervale de 2,32sec si are o durata de 13,95sec. S-a modificat durata, era loc pentru un extra tick, dar nu am suficient haste. La 30% haste iau extra tickul pe Immolate, si ajunge iar Immolate la 16sec.

Am testat, pare sa nu mearga faza cu extra tick, am testat fara niciun item, am avut 6tickuri pe Immolate, si cu 10% haste tot atatea, voi retesta cand imi va permite gearul =] dar e aiurea, Immolate ar trebui sa aiba 5 tickuri la no haste, tickuri de 3sec pentru 15sec...



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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 13:07:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da , acum ai dreptate , asa tre sa mearga , asta pare a fi ceva greu de rezolvat deci tre rabdare -

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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 13:19:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da, am testat... Si cu Immolate si cu Corruption, mi-a fost usor ca tooltipul spellului se schimba, zice acolo "every x,y sec".
Si exact cum am presupus, Immolate are 6tickuri cand trebuia sa aiba 5 la 0haste,. Atat am putut testa [nu am gear].
6tickuri pe Immolate iei la 10% haste, cand ajunge tickul undeva la 2,73sec.
Nu e nu stiu ce matematica rofl, Immolate dureaza 15secunde, tickuie din 3 in 3 secunde, ar trebui sa aiba 5 tickuri, nu 6.
Se va simti pe affliction, asta, cu extra ticks, deci go for Destruction =]
LE- Found this :

Pentru a calcula la ce valoare a haste-ului iei urmatorul extra tick.
Niste calcule aici.

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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 13:54:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

because i dont know romanian ..

duration of dots is not affected by haste ( 50% haste= 18 sec corruption, 0% haste 18 sec corruption ) like corruption bane of agony unstalbe affliction.
Ticks are affected (50% haste, 1.5 sec tick on corruption and 9 ticks instead of 6 ( 6 with 0% haste)



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Post Posted: 13-09-2011, 13:59:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

lol. what formula did you use ? 12 ticks, do you realize what youve just typed ?
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Thunderstormm wrote:
lol. what formula did you use ? 12 ticks, do you realize what youve just typed ?


ops i meant 9 ticks

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