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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 04:50:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=116 (wowhead link)
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Are damageul redus probabil bugged.
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calcul simplu facut cu magul la 6435 spell power + increasurile de la caracter . (NO BUFFS ! nici macar Intelect !)

Frostbolt damage = 9403

Frost specialization https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84669 (wowhead link) : 25% pentru frost spells + inca 15% pentru Frostbolt :

9403 x 0.25 = 2350,75 Total de 11753. Plus 15% (1763,0625) pentru Frostbolt = 13516 virgula ceva ..

FrostBurn Mastery https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76613 (wowhead link) : 36% (atat am eu pe mag, sau mah rog .. asa arata) = 4866

Total NON CRIT : 18381

Plus cel mai important ! Shatter ( https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12982 (wowhead link) ) care da inca 20% pentru Frostbolt daca targetu e frozen (Deep Freeze - https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=71757 (wowhead link)) = 3676.2

Total cu Shatter, NON CRIT : 22057.2 Critul ar fi dublu ... : 44114,4 dmg


Am facut testul pe mage non buffed cu zero resil pe frozen target (in deep freeze)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKQodYnm1I:



Probabil ignora masteryul si specializarea ... oricum nu e normal...

Spellu asta e cam baza ptr magi frost ...

Daca unii cred ca ice lanceu da damage mare .. sa vedetzi cum da frostboltu daca il repara -

Sper sa se rezolve curand - Ms si spor la treaba !

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 07:46:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cofirm!
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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 10:11:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Clar...


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calcul simplu facut cu magul la 6435 spell power + increasurile de la caracter . (NO BUFFS ! nici macar Intelect !)

Frostbolt damage = 9403


Frostbolt damage=9403?

Scrie cat mastery ai exact. Calculand cu 14.4 puncte de mastery si SP-ul tau, FB glyph, Crit Meta si PVP set + 10% increase frostbolt damage ( 4.1). calculator zice 34k FB shatter crit. Scadem 3.4k --> 31k.

http://ragial.com/mdamage/
E pentru 4.1 asa ca puteti scoate urmatoarele din calcule:
Frostbolt damage has been increased by 10%.


Also...

Cum ai 36% frostburn ? Asta inseamna 14.4 puncte de mastery. Atat iti scrie la character sheet? 2 e base, 12.4 ar tb sa fie din gear. o_0
Din ce vad tu nu ai nici un enchant cu mastery si nici un item cu mastery. Ai socketat absolut tot pe mastery ? Si asa imi vine greu sa cred ca ai scos 12.4 puncte din sockete si reforge? Iar primesc mages 6 mastery pe ochi frumosi ?



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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 10:19:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ce pot spune sigur din alea de acolo e ca shatteru nu iti da 20% increased.

Level 80-8 ore....2 meserii full-2zile....un gear score de 5,5k-3 sapt....un wipe pe freakz....de nepretuit pentru toate celelalte exista DONATE.
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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 10:40:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

26k damage pe un target fara resil/items e mic... ceva nu e in regula :\
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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 11:37:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm. Low damage is low. Eu dau 10k cu FB si petul meu dau 7k+ . Something is not right.



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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 14:13:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Petul tau da 7k la 3k rezil (Ti se pare dmg ok la pet, mie nu !!! Sincer lasi pet 30 sec pe un player si ii arde 50k HP...) ...atat iau eu pe druid ! Tu dai 30k dmg cu icelance. Asta ti se pare normal ? Uitate pe oficial sa vezi 15k crit nu 30k...Mentionez ca acest dmg luam si cand abia facusem caracterul lvl 85 cu iteme din reputatiii! Cu toate cd pe mine....SV instinct si Barskin = same dmg....28k crit ! ( 3k rezil sa nu uitam)

Sincer. In afara de icelance si frost nova (care dureaza 6 sec asa fara dr....o dai acum , peste cateva sec dai cu petul si tot 6 sec tine ) altceva rar mai folositi::::20% FB restu Icelance spam ! In fine nui prb mea ca asa e magul in patch asta...bravo voua !
FB dmg e OK 100% , chiar tine cont de rezil ! Icelance ala da ca turbatul, indiferent ca ai 0 rezil sau 3k + alte abilitati defensive!

Eu stiu ca ati vrea cate 20-30k dmg si cu FB dar nu se poate!

App...va rog sa nu imi aduceti drept dovezi video pe youtube in care magi dau cate 60k cu fb sau icelance tu 10k de bufe pe ei si berseck din bg !

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 14:23:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Petul tau da 7k la 3k rezil (Ti se pare dmg ok la pet, mie nu !!! Sincer lasi pet 30 sec pe un player si ii arde 50k HP...) ...atat iau eu pe druid ! Tu dai 30k dmg cu icelance. Asta ti se pare normal ? Uitate pe oficial sa vezi 15k crit nu 30k...Mentionez ca acest dmg luam si cand abia facusem caracterul lvl 85 cu iteme din reputatiii! Cu toate cd pe mine....SV instinct si Barskin = same dmg....28k crit ! ( 3k rezil sa nu uitam)

Sincer. In afara de icelance si frost nova (care dureaza 6 sec asa fara dr....o dai acum , peste cateva sec dai cu petul si tot 6 sec tine ) altceva rar mai folositi::::20% FB restu Icelance spam ! In fine nui prb mea ca asa e magul in patch asta...bravo voua !
FB dmg e OK 100% , chiar tine cont de rezil ! Icelance ala da ca turbatul, indiferent ca ai 0 rezil sau 3k + alte abilitati defensive!

Eu stiu ca ati vrea cate 20-30k dmg si cu FB dar nu se poate!

App...va rog sa nu imi aduceti drept dovezi video pe youtube in care magi dau cate 60k cu fb sau icelance tu 10k de bufe pe ei si berseck din bg !


Nimic din ce ai scris nu are legatura cu topicul, incercati sa va abtineti de a mai umple topicurile cu posturi inutile.


OT: Cred ca o mare parte din FB dmg are legatura cu shatter (nu isi ia bonusul de +20%)

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 14:29:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

FB dmg too low...wtf ? la 3k rezil imi iau 30k cu fb.
sa nu vorbesc de dmg-ul la pet sau 15k cu ice lance..
la ce dmg da ice lance , numai e nevoie de fb -)



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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 14:35:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bigblackjoey wrote:
FB dmg too low...wtf ? la 3k rezil imi iau 30k cu fb.
sa nu vorbesc de dmg-ul la pet sau 15k cu ice lance..
la ce dmg da ice lance , numai e nevoie de fb -)


Si ce legatura are Ice Lance sau dmgu sumonului in topicu asta ca nu vad... oi fii eu orb dar topicu este despre FB.Nu mai comentati doar sa va aflati in treaba.

OT: parca a mai fost facut un topic in genu asta...si era de la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12982 (wowhead link). Probabil nu a fost inca fixat.

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 14:58:12 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cum sa nu comentezi cand FB merge ok....testat pe rezil ! si Icelance ignora tot ! Normal ca o sa comentez. CE "profs" aduceti voi is video pe youtube cu 10 mii de bufe facute la caterinca ! Formula de calcul - rezil - buffs -defensive cd ! Asta sa aduceti. Adica nu mi se pare corect sa iau 28k cu icelance, cu SV instinct si Barskin! Si fb merge destul de bine ! Lasa ca in afara de Frost nova si icelance ...rar mai dati frostbolt doar cand aveti suficienta distanta = pro mage ! (Voi si cu ala de a postat filmul cu waru de a dat 366k dmg) lol
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Cum sa nu comentezi cand FB merge ok....testat pe rezil ! si Icelance ignora tot ! Normal ca o sa comentez. CE "profs" aduceti voi is video pe youtube cu 10 mii de bufe facute la caterinca ! Formula de calcul - rezil - buffs -defensive cd ! Asta sa aduceti. Adica nu mi se pare corect sa iau 28k cu icelance, cu SV instinct si Barskin! Si fb merge destul de bine ! Lasa ca in afara de Frost nova si icelance ...rar mai dati frostbolt doar cand aveti suficienta distanta = pro mage ! (Voi si cu ala de a postat filmul cu waru de a dat 366k dmg) lol


stii tu vorba aia "SCREEN OR NEVER HAPPENED".Daca tu iei cu sv instinct si barskin on (nu mai zic de resil) 28k pe IceLance, scuza-ma dar aiurezi maxim.made my day.

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 15:15:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shay wrote:
Clar...


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calcul simplu facut cu magul la 6435 spell power + increasurile de la caracter . (NO BUFFS ! nici macar Intelect !)

Frostbolt damage = 9403


Frostbolt damage=9403?

Scrie cat mastery ai exact. Calculand cu 14.4 puncte de mastery si SP-ul tau, FB glyph, Crit Meta si PVP set + 10% increase frostbolt damage ( 4.1). calculator zice 34k FB shatter crit. Scadem 3.4k --> 31k.

http://ragial.com/mdamage/
E pentru 4.1 asa ca puteti scoate urmatoarele din calcule:
Frostbolt damage has been increased by 10%.


Also...

Cum ai 36% frostburn ? Asta inseamna 14.4 puncte de mastery. Atat iti scrie la character sheet? 2 e base, 12.4 ar tb sa fie din gear. o_0
Din ce vad tu nu ai nici un enchant cu mastery si nici un item cu mastery. Ai socketat absolut tot pe mastery ? Si asa imi vine greu sa cred ca ai scos 12.4 puncte din sockete si reforge? Iar primesc mages 6 mastery pe ochi frumosi ?



Nu prea am incredere sincer in Linkul pe care l-ai dat ptr calcul de dmg .. nu vad multe adaugari de dmg care ar trebui sa fie ..

Si da .. am 14+ puncte in mastery. .. pe armory poate nu se vede ...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/wowscrnshot102411140411.jpg/ - poza frostbolt

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/wowscrnshot102411135331.jpg/ -poza mastery

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/wowscrnshot102411135345.jpg/ -poza mastery2


Acum dupa cum vedeti ... apar 2 chestii .. in carte imi arata cat am mastery total iar pe character sheet 20% + un calcul care nu am inteles practic cum se face .. din cauza asta am luat masteryul din spell book, in plus asta se si schimba cu 2.5% cand scoteam cate 1 punct din mastery.


Ptr. ceilalti care nu au treaba cu topicul ... Daca aveti probleme si nu stiti sa calculati sau va e lene pentru propria clasa .. np .. Pot sa va ajut ! Dar nu va mai bagati aiurea cu lance si alte prostii ... Haideti sa facem o treaba buna macar si sa ajutam serverul, inclusiv toate clasele !

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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 15:41:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tot va plangeti atat ca luati 30k ice lance. Invatati si voi odata ca in primu rand pvp'ul e facut ca sa joci cu resilence, jucati cu 2k resilence si va plangeti. In fiecare zi testez pe charu lui Cobrel (druidu) si cu full damage ( asta insemnand trinkete, power torent, tailoring back activat = aproape 10k sp) nu am dat mai mare de 24k crit ice lance. Nu stiu de unde le scoateti, ca vai. am luat 30k cu barskin, shield wal activat bla bla. Jalnic.
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Post Posted: 24-10-2011, 15:43:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deocamdata mastery is f.. up. Primesti 8 puncte de mastery in plus. Mastery ar tb sa fie 6.45 in realitate la tine. Poate ar tb sa continuam discutia dupa ce se repara mastery. Asta da implicit numerele peste cap si orice calcul care il facem noi acum e inutil.

Linkul ala in care nu ai tu incredere a fost pus de Isheep ( fellow mage) si sunt sigur ca mageul care a facut tool-ul intelege mai bine decat noi toti la un loc mecanica jocului.

Arata-mi te rog un link oficial unde scrie ca damageul se adauga aditiv.

La fel de bine, eu pot face calcule asa:
9403 base damage, inmultesc direct cu 96% ( totalul procentelor care l-ai pus tu ) ---> 18.429 damage. Diferenta de 3.5k damage fata de ce ai postat tu.
Asta se numeste adaugare multiplicativa.

Si te-am intrebat de 9403 damage ala pentru ca asta nu inseaman ca e corect. Cel mai bine calculezi cu coeficient de SP. Poate coefficientul de SP sau base damage la frostbolt e gresit in joc.
Sincer dupa calcule nu imi da nici mie cum trebuie. Si probabil ca intr-adevar frostbolt da ceva mai putin damage fata de cat ar trebui, dar lipsesc acolo vreo 3-4k, cat sa ajunga pe la 30k, nu 44k cat astepti tu.

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