[DUPLICATE] [Warrior][PvE][PvP] Field Dressing

Lonn · Last edited by Lonn on 10-06-2012, 15:40:46; edited 4 times in total

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: Field Dressing & Enrage Regeneration
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Field Dressing (only second part with 20% increase self healing) doesn't apply to Enrage Regeneration.
Dovada / Proof: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6282/wowscrnshot090112003048.jpg

My HP ~ 127k
Heal from Enraged Regeneration: 4065*10 = 40650->30*1.06 and it should be 4878*10 = 48780->30*1.06*1.20

Tamaie · Posted: 20-11-2011, 01:56:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

deci https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580&&name=field-dressing sigur nu se aplica nici la blood craze nici la second wind.Asta trb fixat neaparat pentru pvp!

bump~

Lonn · Posted: 28-01-2012, 14:26:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bump~

DJquick · Posted: 01-02-2012, 01:32:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+ 1 hear

bunk · Posted: 01-02-2012, 01:40:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+1

“Everything has been figured out, except how to live”

Harlequin · Posted: 01-02-2012, 10:47:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Problema nr.1:
Cum anume influenteaza https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76838, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76856, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76857 healingul luat din self healing spells?
Problema nr.2:
"Increases all healing received by 6%" se refera doar la healul primit nu la self-heal cum da warriorul.

"Cannibalize doesn't count as a "self-healing ability" for the purposes of this talent. Field Dressing acts like the heal is from someone else, and thus boosts it by only six percent."
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580 (wowhead link)

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=55694 (wowhead link) ai sa observi ca nebifat Field Dressing Rank 2 calculul arata cam asa: (3 * 10 * 1)% si daca il bifezi arata asa: (3 * 10 * 1.2)%. 0.2=20% din 1? DA!=>Healurile self-heal primesc 20% pe cand healurile externe primesc acei 6%. Healurile self-heal NU primesc 20%+6% din acest talent.L2P.

Lonn · Posted: 01-02-2012, 22:22:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Harlequin wrote:

Problema nr.1:
Cum anume influenteaza https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76838, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76856, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=76857 healingul luat din self healing spells?

Aici nu am inteles ce ai vrut sa zici... Unshackled Fury e mastery-ul la warr si creste eficacitatea abilitatilor care cer enraged (Enraged Regeneration e una dintre ele)

Harlequin wrote:

Problema nr.2:
"Increases all healing received by 6%" se refera doar la healul primit nu la self-heal cum da warriorul.

"Cannibalize doesn't count as a "self-healing ability" for the purposes of this talent. Field Dressing acts like the heal is from someone else, and thus boosts it by only six percent."
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580 (wowhead link)

Calculul pt Enraged Regeneration ai sa observi ca nebifat Field Dressing Rank 2 calculul arata cam asa: (3 * 10 * 1)% si daca il bifezi arata asa: (3 * 10 * 1.2)%. 0.2=20% din 1? DA!=>Healurile self-heal primesc 20% pe cand healurile externe primesc acei 6%. Healurile self-heal NU primesc 20%+6% din acest talent.L2P.

1. Daca Canibalize care nu e self-heal primeste 6% bonus asta nu inseamna ca Enraged Regeneration care e self heal nu trebuie sa primeasca.
2. Bonusul de 6% nu este scris in tooltip, nu te astepta sa il vezi acolo.
3. Cum sa nu primeasca self-healurile bonusul ala? Acolo scrie ALL HEALING, adica toate si daca nu ma crezi uita-te la video-ul de mai jos :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qhFCzRWYBNA:

Pe la 1:00 isi da regenerare... El are vreo 122.2K HP si da heal 4663...

Dupa un scurt calcul afli ca isi da heal aproximativ 38.16%
Acum calculeaza:
30%(de baza de la ER)*1.2*1.06 si spune-mi cat iti da... Si daca nu iti da 38.16 inseamna ca mi-e stricat calculatorul

Harlequin · Posted: 03-02-2012, 09:43:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

CLICK ME!!! (wowhead link) acel "1.06" nu exista in calculul de la enraged rege...bifeaza si ai sa vezi

cat despre vidul postat de tine nu e nimic concret in el: nu ai shot cu gear/stats/talente.inca ceva
https://youtube.com/watch?v=is3Z9ahhB5E:

acelasi om din vidul postat de tine uite ce macro foloseste pt enraged regen. Foloseste Rallying Cry (wowhead link) care iti creste HPul actual deci cresc si numerele date de Enraged Regen. Cand Rallying Cry se termina HPul dat de Enraged Regen ramane. Apare si in Tooltipul din vid ca Enraged Regen, warriorul respectiv fiind specuit cu Field Dressing, da DOAR 36% heal din HPul curent si NU 38.6%.
Dupa cum e calculat in linkul de mai sus 3*10*1.2=36%. Diferenta de heal dintre BASE HEAL de la Enraged Regen 30% si acesti 36% cu Field Dressing:
A) nu ii iei din "Increases all healing received by 6%" pentru ca, dupa cum am spus mai sus, nu se aplica bonusul de 6% heal increase la healurile self heal de la warrior.

Lonn wrote:

2. Bonusul de 6% nu este scris in tooltip, nu te astepta sa il vezi acolo.

Nu il gasesti acolo pt ca el nu exista.
B) ii iei din "Increases the effectiveness of your self-healing abilities by an additional 20%"

Lonn · Posted: 03-02-2012, 12:55:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Harlequin wrote:

cat despre vidul postat de tine nu e nimic concret in el: nu ai shot cu gear/stats/talente.

1. Nu iti trebuie sa vezi talentele ,stats sau gear trebuie sa vezi doar Health-ul lui...

"For those interested, the total self-healing this provides is a 27.2% (1.0 * 1.2 * 1.06) increase. Listed are the values for healing done from all warrior self-healing post increase. Enraged Regeneration 30% --> 38.16%" Sursa: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580 (wowhead link)

Harlequin wrote:

Apare si in Tooltipul din vid ca Enraged Regen, warriorul respectiv fiind specuit cu Field Dressing, da DOAR 36% heal din HPul curent si NU 38.6%.

Ti-am zis mai omule ca nu apare in tooltip si asta ti-am demostrat prin video-ul de mai sus... Uite si calculul:

El are 122209 HP, uita-te pe bara aia lunga si verde...
La 1:00 are Enraged Regeneration activat... si isi da 4664 pe tick
Enraged Regen. are 10 tick-uri asa ca da in total 46640 HP
Si acum calculeaza:
x= 46640/122209 * 100 = 38.16

Ce vrei mai mult? Bonusul ala nu apare in tooltip... Gandeste-te cum ar fi ca la un healer sa se modifice tooltipul la vraji cand da heal pe tine... Ar trebui schimbate toate tooltipurile de la vrajile de heal din joc, pe cand la bonusul de 20% se modifica deoarece is doar 5 vraji, nu toate din joc.

Si uite: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580
Effect 2 si effect 3 modifica tooltipul la vrajile alea de mai jos, dar effect 1 (cel de 6%) nu modifica tooltipuri.

Daca te mai obosesti sa vii cu dovezi impotriva chestiei asteia, macar sa vii cu un video si cu anumite calcule, nu cu teorii... Cauta pe net un video si demonstreaza-mi ca isi da doar 36% heal...

Phixelzilla · Posted: 03-02-2012, 14:35:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bai frate voi chiar calculati cum merge un talent dupa cam cat HP ii da unui warrior enraged regen intr-un duel?

E simplu si clar ca buna-ziua:

healing RECEIVED 6% increase
SELF-healing 20 % increase

unde zice ca self healing ia si de la healing received?

(daca veniti sa imi vorbiti de vrajile warriorului, nu va ascult

)

cause maybe one day I will walk away and say "you *** disappoint me"
click

webberas · Posted: 03-02-2012, 14:54:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Field dressing ... BY AN ADITIONAL 20%

ai remarcat acel BY AN ADITIONAL ? adik orice heal primit este marit cu 6%... INCLUSIV heals date de warrior ... si SELF HEAL (si repet) BY AN ADITIONAL 20%

sper ca ati remarcat ce am scris bolduit.

nu dati click >>> Scrubilicios <<<

Lonn · Posted: 03-02-2012, 15:19:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Phixelzilla wrote:

Bai frate voi chiar calculati cum merge un talent dupa cam cat HP ii da unui warrior enraged regen intr-un duel?

E simplu si clar ca buna-ziua:

healing RECEIVED 6% increase
SELF-healing 20 % increase

unde zice ca self healing ia si de la healing received?

(daca veniti sa imi vorbiti de vrajile warriorului, nu va ascult

)

Atunci explica-mi mie dc da in video-ul ala 38.16% in loc de 36%

Rayzer90 · Posted: 03-02-2012, 18:18:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShzP2YrdZXo:

La 3:10 Swifty zice ca enraged regeneration heals by 36%

Atomics · Posted: 03-02-2012, 19:03:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

dap asa e ... acelasi heal si pt enraged regeneration si pt bloodcraze si acuma fac un test si la bloodthirst , cred ca si bloodthirst da la fel heal ... o sa revin cu un post... +1

Posturi unite automat, 03-02-2012, 19:03:08

mno.... uite aici cu talent heal bloodthirst http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/wowscrnshot020312070415.jpg/

iar aici heal fara talent http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/wowscrnshot020312070504.jpg/

comparati si voi ... ideea e ca totusi creste healu , deci daca te referi la talent .... talentul merge , dar enraged regeneration nu merge cum trebuie in functie de mastery

Lonn · Posted: 03-02-2012, 21:28:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Rayzer90 wrote:

La 3:10 Swifty zice ca enraged regeneration heals by 36%

Eu zic ca citeste din Tooltip, si acolo nu arata bonusul.

Atomics wrote:

comparati si voi ... ideea e ca totusi creste healu , deci daca te referi la talent .... talentul merge , dar enraged regeneration nu merge cum trebuie in functie de mastery

Nu stiu la celelalte self-healuri dar la Enared Regeneration nu merge, deoarece nu il recunoaste drept self heal, in primul post am zis ca da heal cu talent 31.78%, iar daca calculezi 30*1.06=31.8... deci nu il recunoaste ca self heal.

Si fara talent merge bine, deci clar ca problema este de la Field Dressing.
SS fara talente: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/wowscrnshot020312213948.jpg/

Da 37560 adik 30% din 125205 (HP maxim)

Si intr-adevar, nici mastery-ul nu merge cum trebuie... Fara acel 20% ar trebui sa dea : 30*1.06*1.45=46.11% dar am aratat in primul post ca nu da decat 42,38%, deci un punct de mastery ii creste healul cu aprox. 4.125% in loc de 5.6% cat ar trebui.