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Post Posted: 16-11-2011, 13:34:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mai se face ceva in legatura cu acest bug? E aiurea cum unii au mai multa armura decat este logic, iar altii mai putina ...... Am vazut druid resto in human form cu 22k armura, si eu de abia am in urs pe spec de tanc 31k, cand ar trebuii sa am 43k, e o diferenta destul de notabila cred, incat sa fie reparata, mai ales ca sau pus linkuri la forumuri oficiale unde sunt explicate formulele etc.
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Post Posted: 30-11-2011, 00:47:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Base armor 10301*1.1*1.78*2.2*1.02=45260 teoretic atat ar fi trebuit sa am armura in bear form dar in realitate nu am decat 31408. Bugul de la armura dezavantajeaza foarte mult tancii druizi.


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Post Posted: 16-02-2012, 03:03:17 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am facut cateva cercetari cu ajutorul programului Rawr si cred ca am descoperit misterul despre armura druizilor. Druizi care au avut activat specul de resto cand s-a facut trecerea de la wotlk la cata au avut automat activat si talentul Improved Tree of Life si din acest motiv avem armura de 71 k pe specul de tank. In schimb druizii care nu au avut activat specul de resto la trecerea de la wotlk la cata sau druizii care au fost creati pe cata nu au acel talent si astfel au armura mult mai mica, problema este ca o au mult mai putin decat ar trebui sa aiba, aproximativ cu 10 k daca nu cumva mai mult. In contiunare o sa va prezint niste ss-uri facute cu ajutorul programului mai sus mentionat.



In acest ss va arat ca nu am pus punct in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).



In acest ss va arat cata armura am in bear form fara talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).



In acest ss am pus 3 puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).



Iar in acest ss va arat cata armura am dupa ce am pus 3 puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).



in acest ss va arat faptul ca nu am pus puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link) folosind programul Rawr.



In acest ss va arat cata armura ar trebui sa am fara puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link) folosind programul Rawr, dupa cum se vede diferenta care dintre ss-ul ingame si acest ss nu este foarte mare, doar de aproximativ 1k armura.

In schimb diferanta dupa ce am pus 3 puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link) in programul rawr este mult mai mare decat cea din game dupa cum o sa se vada si in ss-urile urmatoare.



In acest ss se vede ca am pus 3 puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).



Iar in acest ss se vede diferenta uriasa de armura care este intre programul Rawr si armura care o am ingame avand 3 puncte in talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link).

In concluzie problema este urmatoare: ar trebui un reset de talente la toti druizii pentru a scoate talentul Improved Tree of Life ramas de pe wotlk si sa se mareasca valoarea pe care o da talentul Thick Hide (wowhead link) deoarece acest talent nu functioneaza cum ar trebui, adica da mult mai putina armura.

Vreau sa precizez ca programul Rawr foloseste exact formulele de pe blizzard deoarece cu acest program persoanele de pe retail isi pot simula anumite statusuri daca schimba ceva gear, gems, enchants etc. De asemnea vreau sa precizez ca am folosit exact acelasi gear care il am ingame si in programul Rawr.



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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 12:42:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

alex81 wrote:
Thick Hide e buguit in continuare. Motivul? Se aplica la base armor nu la armura din bear form. Ca sa explic inca odata ce ar trebuii sa faca thick hide ....
-luam 1 druid cu 10000 (aceasta se numeste base armor si este formata din armura de pe iteme, mai putin cea de pe neck/rings/trinckets sau enchanturi care dau armura sau alte efecte care adauga armura gen scrolls potiuni etc) armura :
-fara spec de feral, armura lui in bear form este
10000+(10000*120%) = 22000 sau aplicand un simplu coeficient 10000*2.2= 22000
-cu spec de feral : pe spec de feral intervine talentul Thick Hide, care face urmatorul lucru
1. mareste base armor, in HUMAN FORM, cu 10%, in cazul nostru, rezulta 11000.
Acum, intram frumos in bear form si vom avea, respectand formula de calcul de mai sus :
11000*2.2=24200
2. mareste armura din BEAR FORM, cu 78%(sau 1.78 ca coeficient), in cazul nostru :
24200*1.78=43076 Asta ar trebuii sa fie armura unui urs pe spec de tanc care are 10000 base armor.

Acum, exista o metoda mult mai simpla, de a face toate calculele astea.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1126995943

Este forum de pe blizzard, si chestiile alea sunt calculate de oameni care se pricep, nu sunt sume inflorite.

"Armor

Decreases the amount of physical damage taken. While armor from leather gear upgrades is very good, bonus armor (being unaffected by multipliers) isn't quite as valuable. Bonus armor is considered armor from accessories, trinkets, and enchants.

1 Armor = 3.916 Armor (Bear Form + Thick Hide)
1 Armor = 3.99432 Armor (Bear Form + Thick Hide + Meta Gem)
Armor cap (75% DR) for Lvl88 Boss mobs = 97717.5 Armor"

Acuma sa verificam daca e bine ce zic ei acolo, luand ca exemplu calculele noastre de mai sus.

11000 armura in normal form * 3.916 = 43076 , identic.

In concluzie, talentul thick hide, ar trebuii sa :
1. aplice 10% armura la base armor in human form
2. la armura rezultata mai sus, sa i se aplice coeficientul de 3.916 in bear form, sau 3.994 in bear daca are si meta acela cu 2% armor increase.



Are perfecta dreptate ce a spus omul acesta, asa se calculeaza armura in bear form.

Dau ca exemplu druidul meu !! Am sa fac 2 calcule: Cu formulele dupa blizz cu care calculeaza si programul RAWR si cu formula implementata de Shocker pe freakz !!

Calcul cu formula implementata de Shocker:

El a considerat asa: Ai*(1.2+0.1+0.78+0.02)+Ai+Ae , unde
Ai = armura din iteme
Ae= armura din enchants, procs, etc.
1.2 = 120% increase armor from items datorita Bear Form
0.1 = 10% increase armor from items datorita Thick Hide
0.78 = 78% increase armor from items datorita Thick Hide
0.02 = 2% increase armor from items datorita acestui meta

Armura mea din iteme pe serverul freakz este: Ai = 10415 (head+umeri+back+chest+wrist+hands+belt+pants+feet , fara enchants de armura !!)
Armura din enchants este: Ae = 250 (enchant pe back)

10415*(1.2+0.1+0.78+0.002)+10415+250 = 32536

Rezultat identic cu armura care imi apare pe serverul freakz in bear form.

Dovada (ss pe serverul freakz) !!! :


Aceasta formula pentru calculul armurii in bear form cu talentul thick hide este gresita !!


Calcul cu formula blizzlike folosita si de programul RAWR:
Ai = armura din iteme
Ai=10415 (head+umeri+back+chest+wrist+hands+belt+pants+feet , fara enchants de armura !!)
Ae= armura din enchants, procs, etc.
1.2 = 120% increase armor from items datorita Bear Form
0.1 = 10% increase armor from items datorita Thick Hide
0.78 = 78% increase armor from items datorita Thick Hide
0.02 = 2% increase armor from items datorita acestui meta

1. Datorita acestui meta, Aif = Ai*0.02+Ai
Aif = armura din iteme final (aplicandu-se coeficientul de la meta)
Aif = 10415*0.02+10415 = 10623.3
Daca acest Meta nu este prezent, atunci Ai=Aif

2. Apoi se calculeaza Base Armor influentat de Thick Hide si de acel meta: Aif*0.1+Aif (aceasta armura ar trebui sa o avem si in normal form !!!)
10623.3*0.1+10623.3= 11685.63

3. Dupa intram in bear form care mareste base armor influentat de thick hide si meta cu 120%, adica:
11685.63*1.2+11685.63 = 25708.39
Ait = Armura iteme cu thick hide 3/3

4.Acum se aplica partea a 2-a a talentului Thick Hide, care mareste armura din BEAR FORM cu 78%, adica:
25708.39*0.78+25708.39 = 45760.93

5. Armura astfel rezultata se aduna cu alte enchants pentru armura, iar eu cum am enchant pentru 250 armor pe back, rezulta:
45760.93+250= 46010.93

Acest rezultat este IDENTIC cu cel din programul RAWR care calculeaza cu formulele blizzlike.

Dovada:



Dupa aceasta formula ar trebui calculata armura druidului in bear form cu talentul thick hide si meta de armura !!

*Mentionez ca valorile au fost calculate in excel, fiind 100% exacte.


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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 12:46:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sa mai pici druid cu rogue... vise...
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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 12:47:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci, tldr ar fi Ai*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae
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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 13:01:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Zohlomg wrote:
Deci, tldr ar fi Ai*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Fara Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si cu Thick Hide : Ai*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Cu Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si cu Thick Hide : Ai*1.02*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Fara Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si fara Thick Hide : Ai*2.2*+Ae


Cu Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si fara Thick Hide : Ai*1.02*2.2*+Ae


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Post Posted: 23-03-2012, 18:30:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Se mai aude ceva de armura la druid? QQ


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Post Posted: 25-03-2012, 23:35:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Silenz wrote:
Zohlomg wrote:
Deci, tldr ar fi Ai*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Fara Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si cu Thick Hide : Ai*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Cu Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si cu Thick Hide : Ai*1.02*1.1*2.2*1.78+Ae

Fara Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si fara Thick Hide : Ai*2.2*+Ae


Cu Austere Shadowspirit Diamond si fara Thick Hide : Ai*1.02*2.2*+Ae


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Post Posted: 28-03-2012, 23:44:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Fixed, thanks alex81 & Silenz pentru calcule detaliate/info

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