FIX alterac valley.

[nazty]

my last thread, "close av" was.. well.. closed lol. due to the children's week event being over and the chances of av being chosen reduced. funny enough, i just got av again yet before children's week, i never got av ever on this server.

regardless of whether the chances of getting av is 1:3 or :100, this does NOT fix the problem with av. in my last thread, i showed a common example of i think it was 30 something vs like 4. in the av i just entered, and i stayed for the whole duration to make this point, it started out 41 [yes, 41], vs 12. by the time they had destroyed all 4 of our towers, we had finally gotten 30. usually we would have less than this but i played defense and recaptured every tower i could til we could get more ppl hopefully. but even with that, we only managed 30 before every tower was destroyed [this is excluding any gy's they may have captured, i didnt pay attention]. then the game ended a few minutes later.

i don't know what yalls description of a battleground is, but.. battlegrounds are supposed to be competitive. sure, they're to a lesser extent than arena and rated bg, but they're still supposed to be competitive. the fact that av can reach such vast differences in numbers eliminates all purpose of the bg even existing. and to be perfectly honest, with all due respect, it is utterly moronic for someone to allow AV to remain as it is. maybe not everything is being taken into account here, so i guess it could pass for ignorance instead of lack of intelligence. but still, something should be done. and to be honest again, maybe it's just me, but i can't even understand the rationality behind children's week. you ruin pvp for a large majority of active bg goers for a week or so, so that some people can get a stupid achievement? even in retail, pvp players hate children's week cuz of this, and most achievement whores hate it too cuz they dont really wanna have to pvp, don't argue just cuz u like to pretend ur better than someone, simple google searching proves im right. blizzard only created the bg achievement for children's week to make more people enter bgs. but it had the exact opposite effect on this server due to population.

there are 4 solutions that i can come up with on the top of my head.

1] close av. i don't really like this idea even though the name of my last thread was close av. i love av, just in the state it is currently in, it is not a battleground by standard definition based on how it should be and the other battlegrounds.

2] fix the way queues work. change it where people can only join based on how many are in the bg on the other side. most private servers do this, and they do it for very good reason. it should be done here as well. example would be.. if say only 14 joined bg on 1 side, the other side cannot enter with more than like 16 people. then when more ppl queue on the other side and get in, the amount rises for the bigger side as well. this ensures more equality in a battleground, and will fix differences in other bgs as well. the only downfall, is people can just log alts and queue the other side. but hell, they can do this now anyway so it don't really make any difference.

3] change how many people are required before the bg can even pop. current bgs are set at 10 on each side. this is ok for all except av. u could set av for like 20-30. this means that av will never pop unless there's a decent amount of people queuing bgs. this will however cause a lot of the larger factions to log multiple alts to get the av which is a guaranteed win for them, which is why i'm not for this idea.

4] reduce the amount of people who can enter av. right now it's 40v40, which is what it's intended to be ofc. but the boss can still die to 20 people, reducing it to 20 would still cause some differences in numbers [this is based off the fact that some of the 15v15 bgs never get filled sometimes even during peak times], especially during off hours, but would definitely be a better ratio than the way it currently is.

i really don't mean to sound rude, and i apologize if i come across that way by any means. i'm just trying to help. but come on, this shouldn't be such a difficult thing to see.

[Inanis]

nazty wrote:

2] fix the way queues work. change it where people can only join based on how many are in the bg on the other side. most private servers do this, and they do it for very good reason. it should be done here as well. example would be.. if say only 14 joined bg on 1 side, the other side cannot enter with more than like 16 people. then when more ppl queue on the other side and get in, the amount rises for the bigger side as well. this ensures more equality in a battleground, and will fix differences in other bgs as well. the only downfall, is people can just log alts and queue the other side. but hell, they can do this now anyway so it don't really make any difference.

that is how queues are supposed to work, sadly the queue system is broken and you can get up to 30:1 rations shows a lot in AV cus it has a bigger player size .. but happens in ALL bgs.. and is specially negative since the total server population ratio is about 3 hordes per 1 alliance. sadly i dont think we will see a fix anything in the foreseeable future (server is too horde biased to actually fix this)

[nazty]

also.. av chances arent as low as they once were, ive had 3 av's since the rates were supposedly dropped back down again. u could say bad luck but i been here a couple months and never had AV once until children's week.

[nazty]

lol.. 2 av's in a row.. lowered chances eh.

EDIT: n just so yall know, if yall don't post here they're going to treat this as if im the only one concerned about av and never do a damn thing about it. yall have to post. not sure about them but a lot of ppl cant realize something without 1000 ppl shoving it in their face.

[Vicarious]

wall of text.

'nuff said

Our dreams will always adhere to a world beyond this one

[nazty]

im sorry that most people are too lazy to read or write.

[secura]

What's really discouraging about this system so far is that it takes me 30-40 minutes just to get a game, then I get disconnected and I'm stuck with the 15 minute debuff :/
I wish it would just load me right back into the battlegrounds instead of making me wait yet again for another game. /endrant

[Zohlomg]

We will lower AV chances drum back to normal

[Rikkycurtis]

Zohlomg wrote:

We will lower AV chances back to normal

He meant to either make only AV pop when there are equal amounts of players on each side or just remove it all together

[Inanis]

secura wrote:

What's really discouraging about this system so far is that it takes me 30-40 minutes just to get a game, then I get disconnected and I'm stuck with the 15 minute debuff :/ I wish it would just load me right back into the battlegrounds instead of making me wait yet again for another game. /endrant

horde players have to wait 3-6 more time than ally players to enter bgs.. that is because there are way more horde than alliance players.


on my alliance chars i have to wait 3-5 mins for bgs in the morning and about 10 mins in afternoons, up to 30 min - 1 hr at nigths (but that is cus there are only 100-200 people online in all the server at those times). several times bgs pop rigth after i queue (in mornings)

[nazty]

if "normal" means we'll never see it again until it's fixed, awesome lol.

[Inanis]

Av is a nice bg tho , when the BG SYSTEM WORKS .. meaning when the teams are balanced .. but yeh while the bg/queue system is broken just close AV

[nazty]

yea.. i absolutely love av, it's my favorite bg [though i've never tried any of the new cata ones except for gilneas ofc]. it's just so horrible in this current state =/

[Zohlomg]

Alterac Valley's chance to be picked at RBG queue has been drastically reduced, most probably you will never see it again.