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Post Posted: 18-09-2012, 05:56:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: talentul Ignite cu 3 puncte in el scrie clar ca orice crit al vreunui spell pune pe target un dot care va da 40% din valoarea acelui crit... din ss'uri se poate vedea clar ca 21% este damage'ul dat de ignite (acest lucru se calculeaza cu regula de 3 simpla - critul reprezentand 100% iar procentajul ignite'ului trebuie aflat)...
Dovada / Proof: Dovada 1 Dovada 2 Dovada 3


Mentionez ca probabil unii va ganditi ca din non-crit'ul spell-ului se calculeaza acel 40% ignite... dar uitati-va ca daca ar fii asa, mergem invers, calculam de la ignite la valoarea spellului

dar la acest ignite se pune si mastery pentru ca e dot... eu am 8 base mastery + 4.5 din iteme adica 12.5 mastery... fiecare punct din mastery imi da 2.8% damage increase la doturi adica 35%... Luam datele din primul ss:
Damage Spell (Fireball): 25405
Ignite: 8228

Apoi calculam:

valoarea ignite'ului adica 8228 .....reprezentand..... 100%
damage'ul care se pune de la mastery "X" .....reprezentand..... 35% -> 8228 * 35 / 100 = 2879,8 asta fiind damage'ul dat de mastery, apoi scadem din damage'ul final de la ignite damage'ul de la mastery si aflam valoarea ignite'ului fara mastery adica 8228 - 2879,8 = 5348,2

acum vom aproxima:

valoarea ignite'ului fara mastery 5348 .....reprezentand..... 40% din spell
spellul din care s'a calculat "X" .....reprezentand..... 100% -> 5348 * 100 / 40 = 13370 adica din acest spell s'ar fi calculat ignite'ul pentru demonstratia de mai sus -> GRESIT pentru ca eu la 368 ilvl disponibil in momentul de fata castez un fireball non'crit de 11900 maxim in cele mai fericite cazuri -> Dovada ... Din tot ceea ce am scris eu, rezulta ca din crit s'a calculat ignite'ul si nu s'a calculat cu 40% ci cu 21% :

crit 25405 .....reprezentand..... 100%
ignite fara mastery 5348 .....reprezentand..... X% -> x = 5348 * 100 / 25405 = 21% cat am precizat la inceputul postului

Daca ignite'ul mergea corect inseamna ca trebuia sa fie 25405 * 40 / 100 = 10162 si se adauga mastery 10162 * 35 / 100 = 3556 si la sfarsit avem totalul de 10162 (ignite fara mastery) + 3556 (damage de la mastery) = 13718 damage final

Ganditi'va ca este o diferenta de 13718 - 8228 = 5490 damage, sa nu mai zic cat ar conta asta la combustion...




Cei ce au de comentat ceva, sa o faca pe baza unor dovezi concrete, iar daca dovedesc ca eu ma insel, imi voi cere scuze si voi ruga un gm sa stearga/inchida postul... Multumesc, o zi buna...


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Post Posted: 18-09-2012, 11:32:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I had a similar post of my own, no GMs looked at it tough:

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Mage-Ignite-not-working-properly-t175630.html


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Post Posted: 18-09-2012, 16:28:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sorry but i saw your post and believe me, you don't calculate combustion with the ignite of LB & fireblast... and you certainly don't calculate the combustion with 4 dots until the glyph of FFB is repaired, you have LB, Pyro & Ignite... don't know the 4th dot in your formula... and it's kind of wrong, you said "How the damage should be" and you wrote there 111977, sorry mate, but i have to tell you that my combustion does 200k in total damage if i have LB and 2xpyro crit for a bigger ignite... but this is not how it supposed to work... it should be easier to pop up a same damage with combustion but with only one pyro crit...

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Post Posted: 21-09-2012, 21:00:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

FIX URGENT!! bugul asta nu era, ori a fost un "fix" facut pe furish, ori s.a stricat dupa un fix recent.
Cand era bugul cu ignite stacking, igniteul mergea okei+ mastery, acum e sub orice critica.
Ce dovezi mai trebuie aduse ca acest bug sa fie trecut la confirmed bugs?-

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Post Posted: 22-09-2012, 02:22:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm. Am facut niste teste acum, da cam jumatate din cat ar trebui. Asta ar explica de ce, in ultima vreme, dau DPS MULT mai mic decat inainte.

Ciudat este ca e cam random faza. Adica, am dat 25k cu un Fireball, cu Ignite de 5k/tick, dupaia inca un Fireball de 25k (fara vreun proc de Mastery) si a dat 4k/tick Ignite.

Please check&fix this, e dubioasa rau treaba. Ar trebui sa dai 20% din crit/tick de Ignite, la noi e mult mai putin. E gresit ceva la formula, nu calculeaza corect. De altfel, trebuie sa tina cont si de Mastery, caz in care se impute treaba (la ce diferenta mare de Damage este).

Repet, e recenta problema. Mai exact, acu vreo luna-doua dadeam 35-36k DPS in burst (pe dummy), iar acum dau maximum 25k.

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Screenshot: http://imageshack.us/a/img37/622/wowscrnshot092212032058.jpg
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Fireball hits for 25200 Fire. (Critical)
Ignite hits for 4115 Fire.
Ignite hits for 4115 Fire.


Rezulta 8230 Ignite cu 36% Burn din Mastery (5268 daca scadem Mastery), ar fi trebuit sa dea 10080 (40% din critical-ul initial). Daca punem si Mastery (36% burn), ar rezulta Ignite total (ambele tick adunate) de 13708 Fire.

Daca nu ma bate pe mine matematica, 5268 e aproape jumatate din 10080, asa ca, WE HAVE A PROBLEM !

E cam random treaba, uneori da mai mult, uneori mai putin. Repet, fara proc la vreun trinket sau ceva, pur hits.

Edit: La ce a zis Socrate mai jos (ca el n-a facut calcule):
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Fireball hits for 29700 Fire. (Critical)
Ignite hits for 4801 Fire.
Ignite hits for 4801 Fire.


Asta inseamna 9602 Ignite (6146 fara Mastery, tot 36% are si el). Ar fi trebuit sa dea 11880 (40% din critical-ul initial), ignorand Mastery (cu Mastery inseamna 16128).

La fel, 6146 e cam jumate din 11880, deci problem.


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Post Posted: 22-09-2012, 02:37:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2n00tb9.jpg
Din print se vede destul de clar ca ignite nu da 40% dmg ca dot din spelul din care procuie.



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Post Posted: 22-09-2012, 13:44:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Allybetrayer wrote:
FIX URGENT!! bugul asta nu era, ori a fost un "fix" facut pe furish, ori s.a stricat dupa un fix recent.
Cand era bugul cu ignite stacking, igniteul mergea okei+ mastery, acum e sub orice critica.
Ce dovezi mai trebuie aduse ca acest bug sa fie trecut la confirmed bugs?-



+1 hai cu fix`u bro!

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Post Posted: 23-09-2012, 11:41:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm si eu. Ignite da mult mai putin dmg decat ar trebui => combustion mai mic. Fix it please.
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Post Posted: 23-09-2012, 23:31:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm ...... ca main damage e foarte important ca igniteul sa mearga cum trebuie ..
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Post Posted: 24-09-2012, 11:52:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am adus ceva informatii mai detaliate cu niste calcule in Excel.

Inainte de toate, cand am facut testele am scos toate itemele care procuiesc orice fel de bonus (trinkete,weapon enchant etc.)




In acel tabel "Ignite" si "Ignite with mastery" sunt acele Ignite-uri pe care ar trebui sa le avem in mod normal.
Am facut teste si cu mastery diferit si am observat ca procentajul de dmg la ignite pe freakz ramane aproximativ constant, deci putem spune ca Mastery nu are probleme, ci Ignite (initial am considerat ca poate si mastery nu merge bine).

Atentie: pe coloana "Freakz ignite" este dmg-ul total din ambele thick-uri de ignite, nu unul singur.

Procentajul de dmg la ignite de pe Freakz este calculat in modul urmator:

Notam cu X procentul de dmg la ignite de pe Freakz ca fiind necunoscut.
Ignite_DMG = dmg la ignite(ambele thick-uri adnuate) pe Freakz
Spell_CRIT = dmg de la crit-ul spell-ului (fireball, scorch etc.)
Mastery_Efectiv=Mastery_Procent*0.028 (2.8% bonus dmg la dot-uri, 2.8% = 0.028)

Spell_CRIT*X + Spell_CRIT*X*Mastery_Efectiv = Ignite_DMG ==> Spell_CRIT*X*( 1 + Mastery_Efectiv ) = Ignite_DMG ==>

==> X = Ignite_DMG / Spell_CRIT*( 1 + Mastery_Efectiv )

Mai inmultim pe X cu 100 sa ne dea procentajul ( % ).

Proof:
8% Mastery
->Spell_CRIT = 12958
->Spell_CRIT = 13002
->Spell_CRIT = 13109

10.32% Mastery
->Spell_CRIT = 16572
->Spell_CRIT = 16554
->Spell_CRIT = 8343

Concluzia: Momentan pe Freakz, cu 3/3 in Ignite (40% bonus dmg in mod normal) avem doar ~23-24% bonus dmg.

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Post Posted: 26-09-2012, 23:35:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si pana la urma, de ce nu e la verified bugs?? genial sa stai pe bara in pve din cauza unui "fix" facut pe sub maneca de vreun gm hater sau mai rau....(nu zic mai multe)
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Post Posted: 27-09-2012, 00:31:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Allybetrayer wrote:
"fix" facut pe sub maneca de vreun gm hater

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Allybetrayer wrote:
"fix" facut pe sub maneca de vreun gm hater sau mai rau....(nu zic mai multe)
mare adevar....-

Oare de ce stricati ceva ce cat de cat functiona ok? si altele care nu merg deloc nu va intereseaza......

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Post Posted: 08-10-2012, 11:17:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

vrem fix!! sau macar sa fie mutat la confirmed bugz.

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radicallyftw wrote:
vrem fix!! sau macar sa fie mutat la confirmed bugz.


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