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Post Posted: 19-01-2013, 18:00:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: damage-ul de la Hand of Light tine cont de resilience. Din moment ce HoL reprezinta o parte din damage-ul dat de Templar's Verdict si Crusader Strike (abilitati deja afectate de resilience), ar fi anormal ca damage-ul de la mastery sa fie afectat iar de resilience. Bug-ul a reaparut in Mists of Pandaria, dar nu exista in 4.3.4 (nu gasesc link-uri sa confirme).

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Cu 30% mastery, ar fi trebuit sa dau 7269*0.3=2181.



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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 02:52:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Asa e, daca e nevoie pot sa pun screenuri in care dau 12-14k Crit pe un paladin full vicious cu templar's verdict, avand Avenging wrath/zealotry/inquisition/ trinketu cu 2100 STR/golemblood potion/ beer basted crocolisk si flask of titanic strength pe mine, mentionez ca am full mastery din gems/enchant/reforge, am undeva la 34% mastery, aka 16.19
In timp ce PvE wise am dat si 80k + folosind aceleasi skille/consumabile/gear




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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 04:12:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415796363

"Hand of light is effectively lowered by resilience twice; one from the initial hit that caused it, and then directly reduced by resil when it hits.

It's been acknowledged a couple times, but I wouldn't expect it to change."

Asa e si pe Blizz,iti aduc proof din joc daca e nevoie.

Also,http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1849765488

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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 11:16:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

BlackSun wrote:
Bug-ul a reaparut in Mists of Pandaria, dar nu exista in 4.3.4 (nu gasesc link-uri sa confirme)

LE: Un link e din MoP, altul e din 4.0.6.



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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 15:01:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Chiar daca ar fi legit sa isi ia diminishing de doua ori din resil, e o chestie foarte idioata lasata de Blizzard la voia intamplarii (mai sunt si altele).
Totusi, incercati sa gasiti proof ca asa ar trebui sa fie, daca nu gasiti inseamna ca ar trebui sa decurga dupa sirul logic al evenimentelor.



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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 16:30:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

BlackSun wrote:
BlackSun wrote:
Bug-ul a reaparut in Mists of Pandaria, dar nu exista in 4.3.4 (nu gasesc link-uri sa confirme)

LE: Un link e din MoP, altul e din 4.0.6.


Si nici un mesag in patchnotes,se stie de asta de cand au bagat Cataclysm.
Poti intreba un jucator de Pala relativ "old".(at least 4.x - retail)

Stiu ca e retardat mecanismul dar na..the way it is.

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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 21:50:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Hmm din cate stiu ti s-a fost explicat pe 4.0.6 aici:
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Paladin-PvP-Hand-of-light-vs-Absorb-t143146.html
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http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1849765488
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Din cate stiu hand of light e holy damage, nu poate fi ressisted/reduced decat de resil.

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ANY Holy damage you do goes past ARMOR. not resilience.

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ctually. Holy Damage remains uneffected by Armour, because armour only reduces physical damage.

Holy damage has no resistance, as it is unmitigated damage.

However, I believe it is reduced by ressilience. And if its not then the wording of the ressilience description needs changing.


A explicat perfect. Faceti tickete in-game pe blizz si vedeti ca va va raspunde exact cum a spus tipul acela. -
Cred ca bug-ul pe server este si ca dmg tine cont de armura. Ma bat calculele. Va rog sa testeze careva si chestia asta.



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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 22:33:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

In fine, am gasit un videoclip pe Youtube din 4.3 si am facut doua screenshots pe care le voi explica.

Screenshot 1 - da 13000 cu TV si 4469 cu mastery (fara Inquisition), putem calcula ca are 4469*100/1300=34% mastery, un numar obisnuit pentru un paladin in 4.3. Daca tinea cont de resilience, mastery-ul ar fi dat cam jumate din damage.

Screenshot 2 - da 13182 cu TV si 5891 cu mastery (cu Inquisiton). Luam damage-ul de la TV, calculam 34% din el ca mastery 13182*0.34=4481, adaugam 30% de la Inquisition si obtinem 4481*1.3=5826 (nu am luat in calcul si zecimalele). Si din al doilea screenshot ajungem la aceeasi concluzie.



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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 00:22:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu te supara,dar tu vezi pe ce target da in primul respectiv in al 2 lea screenshot?
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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 00:29:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

am mai testat prin joc, si nu sunt sigur care anume e problema.. cert e ca mastery la retri nu merge cum trebuie.. ar trebui sa dai un damage imens, chiar si pe 4k resil, cand eu nu dau mai mult de 20k (caz fericit) in burst..



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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 00:34:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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am mai testat prin joc, si nu sunt sigur care anume e problema.. cert e ca mastery la retri nu merge cum trebuie.. ar trebui sa dai un damage imens, chiar si pe 4k resil, cand eu nu dau mai mult de 20k (caz fericit) in burst..


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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 00:51:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5723623642

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415496434

"Unfortunately it's a bug that Blizzard has been dealing with off and on for a long time, so I wouldn't hold your breath. Hopefully it gets fixed though."

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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 01:14:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd wrote:
BlackSwann wrote:
am mai testat prin joc, si nu sunt sigur care anume e problema.. cert e ca mastery la retri nu merge cum trebuie.. ar trebui sa dai un damage imens, chiar si pe 4k resil, cand eu nu dau mai mult de 20k (caz fericit) in burst..


Cel mai relevant post din tot topical Party



poate ca nu e "relevant" cum spui tu, incerc si eu sa fac ce pot ca sa se rezolve anumite buguri.. spre deosebire de tine, care faci-off topic si vorbesti aiurea, dupa cum spuneam, nu stiu care e problema cu mastery, nu sunt eu in masura sa spun asta, asta trebuie testat de Shocker sau de cineva care are experienta in developing, eu spun ce vad din prisma unui player, ca damage output este mult mai mic de cat ar trebui sa fie.




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Requiemnox wrote:
Nu te supara,dar tu vezi pe ce target da in primul respectiv in al 2 lea screenshot?

Requiemnox wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5723623642

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415496434

"Unfortunately it's a bug that Blizzard has been dealing with off and on for a long time, so I wouldn't hold your breath. Hopefully it gets fixed though."




1. Mastery-ul da un procentaj fix din damage-ul dat de TV sau CS, indiferent de tinta.

2. Am mai zis de 7 ori ca bug-ul a aparut iar in MoP, alea sunt link-uri din 5.x. Fie avem MoP pe Freakz si nu stiam, fie link-urile tale sunt pe langa. Eu vorbesc STRICT de 4.3.



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Post Posted: 30-01-2013, 21:23:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bump, e un bug destul de important, cred ca ar trebui sa-i fie acordata mai multa atentie.. eu cel putin nu trec de 20k crits in BG, pe playeri cu gear ruthless, si cred ca ne afecteaza gameplay-ul cu mult faptul ca nu dam dmg-ul pe care ar trebui sa-l dam.



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