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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 16:28:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=44445&&name=hot-streak + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=44448&&name=improved-hot-streak
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: La cele 2 talente este o problema deoarece prinzi si 4-5 procs la rand unu din altul.
Dovada / Proof:
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=212487

Am tot cautat proofs pe net si am gasit ceva interesant. Se observa cum in clip de mai sus (puteti cauta si voi pe youtube sunt extrem de
multe) , nu procuie NICIODATA hot streak de 2 ori la rand. Pe freakz un fire mage iti da si 4-5 pyro la rand
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Cum ziceam am gasit ceva interesant:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/780272-Hot-Streak-Procs

Let's get some empirical evidence shall we, about the 46% crit.
On live:

5% crit, butt naked.
100 fireballs
8 pyroblasts
Pyroblast! only triggered on non crits. (I never got 2 fireball crits in a row) on a 80 target dummy.


42% crit, with gear.

100 fireballs
12 pyroblasts

Pyroblast! did not trigger if Pyroblast! critted followed by a Fireball crit.
Pyroblast! did not trigger if Pyroblast! didn't crit followed by a Fireball crit.
Pyroblast! did not trigger if Fireball didn't crit twice in a row.


Deci aici e o problema la noi. Procuie unul din celalalt la infinit daca prinzi crits sau daca iti intra hot streak, ajungand sa te soloeasca un mage de la full HP in 3-4 globale.

O sa incerc sa fac rost si de un mage cu gear pe freakz sa vin cu prints si eventual alte proofs despre cum functioneaza pe blizz.


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"Munca l-a creat pe om, dar nici lenea n-a omorat pe nimeni."


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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 17:58:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm, am avut noroc sa dau si 7 pyro la rand.

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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 18:00:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm..

@Wowhead.. not reliable but still.

"There are two talents working in together, not exactly in synergy.
Hot streak and improved hot streak.
Hot streak has small chance on any spell crit to proc pyro - the chance drops the more crit you get.
Improved hot streak has 100% chance to proc pyro on 2 crits in a row from certain abilities (scorch, fb/ffb or fireblast). Pyroblast! (instant) cant proc Imp hot streak."

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=180110/fire-spec-and-hot-streak

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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 18:28:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

daca esti mag cu cap , stii sa astepti si intre instant pyrouri sa dai un fireball sau un fireblast , astept mai multe dovezi de la tine care sa explice clar , pot considera ca magii pe carei gasesti sunt slabi , intradevar pe dummy e greu am mai prins si 3 dar rar , in schimb in encounter dau 5+ cand sunt full procs
Din punctul meu de vedere merge chiar foarte bine daca stii cum sa profiti de talent .

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Muteli wrote:
daca esti mag cu cap , stii sa astepti si intre instant pyrouri sa dai un fireball sau un fireblast , astept mai multe dovezi de la tine care sa explice clar , pot considera ca magii pe carei gasesti sunt slabi , intradevar pe dummy e greu am mai prins si 3 dar rar , in schimb in encounter dau 5+ cand sunt full procs
Din punctul meu de vedere merge chiar foarte bine daca stii cum sa profiti de talent .


una este cand dai pyroblast! si dupa dai un fireblast ca sa iti procuie alt pyroblast! si una e cand castezi 4-5 pyroblasturi instant la rand fara nimic intre ele..

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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 18:37:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tu esti nebun ma? cum poti sa spui ca merge bine?

am avut mag ca alt pe blizz si iti garantez ca niciodata, dar absolut niciodata nu am prins 2 insta pyro unul dupa altul




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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 18:49:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

whisperica wrote:
tu esti nebun ma? cum poti sa spui ca merge bine?

am avut mag ca alt pe blizz si iti garantez ca niciodata, dar absolut niciodata nu am prins 2 insta pyro unul dupa altul

am precizat ca dau fireblast intre ele citeste atent , ca procuie Pyro! din Pyro! , da este adevarat si cam atat

LATER EDIT: - ok desi tindeam sa fiu de acord cu voi , m-am apucat sa spamez scorch la dummy si ce crezi ?? merge bine , mi sa intamplat sa procuie doar cand am dat in acelasi timp imediat dupa scorch pyro acolo ar putea fi problema , atunci cand castezi ambele deodata sar putea sa ia in cosiderare pyro! inainte de scorch (in cazu meu)
Urc niste videoclipuri daca e nevoie -
+ ce a postat nerd e cu 2 patchuri in urma => 4.0.1 daca stiu sa citesc bine -



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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 19:50:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

pana acum 2 sap ma rugam sa prind un prock la pyro acuma este relativ k nu esre vina mea ca un mag prinde mai multe sau mai putine ca mine ( ma refer la prock ) ce a postat ''Nerd'' este o suferinta in pvp
Recunosc ca este posibil sa aiba prock prea des dar nu esre bine nici cum era inainte
si recunosc ca nu am jucat pe bliz dar am vazut in filmuletze cam cum sta treaba ....




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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 20:20:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I don't see any proof, only people agreeing.



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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 20:45:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd eu nu stiu din ce povesti vorbesti tu, fara dovada nu merge, pune tu aici video cu mage care da 5 pyro unul dupa altul si dupa sa ceri nerf.
Toti confirmati aiurea si vreti sa nerfuiasca magul fire ca sa nu mai dea hot streak deloc, va intereseaza numai pvp-ul, dar voi nu vedeti ca magul si asa e vai de capu lui...am 36% crit si am prins foarte rar,extraordinar de rar, 3 pyro la rand (deci ala cu 7 trebuie sa fie zeu, sa intre full pve in arena si sa aba un bulan extraordinar) . Asteptati si voi la rand sa se repare bugul Hot Streak while living bombs crits , voi va plangeti ca Hot Streak e OP, dar postul ala arata clar ca LB zapaceste procul la Hot Streak si ca nu procuie cum ar trebui. Topicul ala ar trebui sa fie la Confirmed si sa nu fie LOCKED la pending bugs...pentru ca e dovada clara acolo. Critical Mass , Combustion astea sunt importante, nu paranoia voastra la Hot streak.
Daca bugurile alea de mai sus ar fi reparate, poate ca atunci ar trebui sa ne uitam la 1 proc in plus la Hot Streak, proc pe care oricum il pierzi daca da crit living bomb(vezi asta)

Pot confirma ca am prins 3 pyro la rand, fara sa dau alt spell, dar foarte rar.... si la 41% crit in raid, niciodata nu am prins 4 sau 5 la rand.

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ceva de genul patesc si eu la yorshaj 25h care tine in jur de 10 min am prins 25 pyro o sa fac o poza cand mai merg sa vedeti ......



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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 21:11:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci cele 2 talente trebuie sa procuiasca din Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Scorch, Fire Blast si Pyroblast (varianta cu cast time ) .NU SI DIN Pyroblast! (adica varianta instanta ce procuieste din talent) .

"The instant Pyroblast (named "Pyroblast!") will not trigger Hot Streak.

The only spells that will are Scorch, Fireball, Fire Blast, Pyroblast.

The instant Pyroblast(!) is a completely different spell.

[bla bla]


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The Pyroblast(!) mechanic changes in MoP (as of current beta). Then, an instant Pyroblast will be able to trigger Hot Streak, but will not currently on live. "

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soulkreep wrote:
Deci cele 2 talente trebuie sa procuiasca din Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Scorch, Fire Blast si Pyroblast (varianta cu cast time ) .NU SI DIN Pyroblast! (adica varianta instanta ce procuieste din talent) .

"The instant Pyroblast (named "Pyroblast!") will not trigger Hot Streak.

The only spells that will are Scorch, Fireball, Fire Blast, Pyroblast.

The instant Pyroblast(!) is a completely different spell.

[bla bla]


Edit again:
The Pyroblast(!) mechanic changes in MoP (as of current beta). Then, an instant Pyroblast will be able to trigger Hot Streak, but will not currently on live. "

source





NU procuie din Pyroblast! ( ! adica ala instant) citeste postu meu de mai sus , ai postat degeaba

EDIT: tipu de mai jos , eu am facut acelasi lucru vro 15 minute si nu mi-a procuit , am in jur de 32 % crit , probabil ai mai mult sau nush -



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Post Posted: 30-04-2013, 22:16:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Poftim

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am patit de atatea ori in arene, dupa ce dadea blancket silence pe healerul meu, sa mor in 4 secunde de la 3289745429487248932 instant pyro. Chiar si dupa ce omul a pus video voi continuati sa sustineti ca merge bine



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