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Post Posted: 02-10-2013, 07:37:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dragul meu toyz si restul haterilor... cred ca aveti nevoie de un consult oftalmologic cat mai rpd posibil...
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1.Conflagrate nu are cum sa beneficieze de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm in mod direct.
pentru ca el nu are dmg propriuzis este 60% din tikurile imolatului fara imolate da 0 dmg(nu poate fi folosit)
1-Conflagrate= Target enemy instantly explodes, dealing 1577 to 1743 (+ 172.5% of Spell power) Fire damage.
2-Conflagrate= 1=(immolate tick damage)*(number of ticks)*0,6(conflagrate)
1=2 : 1577 este 60% din dmgul imolatului al unui char de 85lvl fara gear 176spell power pasiv

2818 conflagrate (pe target dummy cu 0/0 rezistente fara gear 176 pasiv spell power)
scadem urmatoarele-->
-25% (704,5) (Cataclysm, este acel spell care iti adauga "increse fire spell damage by 25%" cand inveti destruction)
-11%pasiv mastery (232,485)

Din screenshoturile care le-ai pus tu vad ca ai facut test fara talente.. De ce mai scazi -25%(cataclysm)? Fa-ma sa inteleg.. Explica .. poate esti mai luminat tu

Macar ai citit ce am scris noi pana acum? Se pare ca nu.. Ramai la fel de frustrat ca inainte. Acelasi lucru l-am spus si eu si soulkreep.. Conflagrate NU trebuie sa beneficieze in mod direct de cataclysm si mastery.
La noi pe server isi face double dip din cataclysm si mastery. Odata face immolate dip( e cat se poate de normal) si odata isi face si conflagrate( rong).
Pana acum te-ai contrazis cu noi. Cu mine Nerd soulkreep odes.. Acum cu postul asta te-ai contrazis singur. Ai adus singur dovada ca e total buguit. Iti multumim.
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Conflag nu e buguit.

Amigo tu esti total pe langa subiect.. Dute si mai fa guide de dk blood pvp




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Post Posted: 02-10-2013, 07:51:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Asta am vrut si eu sa zic, deci ghosteye ce ai zis tu in ultimu tau post, asta am incercat noi sa-ti explicam in tot topicu -, ti-am pus poze de pe freakz cum face mai mult de 60% din immolate.
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Post Posted: 02-10-2013, 09:03:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

eqinox wrote:
Dragul meu toyz si restul haterilor... cred ca aveti nevoie de un consult oftalmologic cat mai rpd posibil...
Ghosteyelol wrote:
1.Conflagrate nu are cum sa beneficieze de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm in mod direct.
pentru ca el nu are dmg propriuzis este 60% din tikurile imolatului fara imolate da 0 dmg(nu poate fi folosit)
1-Conflagrate= Target enemy instantly explodes, dealing 1577 to 1743 (+ 172.5% of Spell power) Fire damage.
2-Conflagrate= 1=(immolate tick damage)*(number of ticks)*0,6(conflagrate)
1=2 : 1577 este 60% din dmgul imolatului al unui char de 85lvl fara gear 176spell power pasiv

2818 conflagrate (pe target dummy cu 0/0 rezistente fara gear 176 pasiv spell power)
scadem urmatoarele-->
-25% (704,5) (Cataclysm, este acel spell care iti adauga "increse fire spell damage by 25%" cand inveti destruction)
-11%pasiv mastery (232,485)

Din screenshoturile care le-ai pus tu vad ca ai facut test fara talente.. De ce mai scazi -25%(cataclysm)? Fa-ma sa inteleg.. Explica .. poate esti mai luminat tu

Macar ai citit ce am scris noi pana acum? Se pare ca nu.. Ramai la fel de frustrat ca inainte. Acelasi lucru l-am spus si eu si soulkreep.. Conflagrate NU trebuie sa beneficieze in mod direct de cataclysm si mastery.
La noi pe server isi face double dip din cataclysm si mastery. Odata face immolate dip( e cat se poate de normal) si odata isi face si conflagrate( rong).
Pana acum te-ai contrazis cu noi. Cu mine Nerd soulkreep odes.. Acum cu postul asta te-ai contrazis singur. Ai adus singur dovada ca e total buguit. Iti multumim.
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Conflag nu e buguit.

Amigo tu esti total pe langa subiect.. Dute si mai fa guide de dk blood pvp

scad 25% cataclysm pentru ca odata invatat destruction tikurile imolatului beneficiaza de el ....
imilatul nu are voie sa beneficieze de Calaclysm?

Posturi unite automat, 02-10-2013, 09:53:44

odes wrote:
Conflagrate= 1=(immolate tick damage)*(number of ticks)*0,6(conflagrate) asta e formula corecta.

Immolate-u meu face 6 ticks, l-am dat cu CoE pe target, 26% increase din mastery si cu 8% din improved soul fire pe mine, avem asa:

4093(dot tick dmg) *6(numar de ticks) *0.6(conflagrate) = 14734

Ce vezi tu in screenshot? Conflagrate 23210 -

Merge bine? Nu prea cred.




Uite si conflagrate CHEL, fara CoE, fara improved soul fire, doar immolate si conflag:

3509 * 6 * 0.6 = 12632.4

Cat da pe freakz? 19896

Nu e buguit? Mai uitati-va odata -


mai ai si alte increasuri acolo cum ar fi sigur nu ai scazut glygh si inca un talent din detro...
iti zis eu ca formula merge bine -

Posturi unite automat, 02-10-2013, 10:00:28

odes wrote:
Asta am vrut si eu sa zic, deci ghosteye ce ai zis tu in ultimu tau post, asta am incercat noi sa-ti explicam in tot topicu -, ti-am pus poze de pe freakz cum face mai mult de 60% din immolate.

reciteste

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm (wowhead link) = power torrent , improved soul fire, mastery, curse of elemental si altele de toate astea beneficiaza Imolatul prin urmare---> Imolate daca are toate procurile alea activate Tikurile lui dau mai mult dmg corect? CORECT
prin urmare 60% din acel dmg se transfera spre conflagrate care e si logic sa dea mai mult cu toate procurile alea acrivate
daca Conflagrate nu ar tebui sa tina cont de cataclysm, atunci nu treuie sa tina cont nice de power torrent , improved soul fire, mastery, curse of elemental si sa aiba un dmg fix(O_O???)

1.Conflagrate nu are cum sa beneficieze de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm (wowhead link) in mod direct.
pentru ca el nu are dmg propriuzis este 60% din tikurile imolatului fara imolate da 0 dmg(nu poate fi folosit)

2.Conflagrate beneficiaza de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm (wowhead link) cu ajutorul Imolatului

3.Imolatul beneficiaza de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84739&&name=cataclysm (wowhead link) si prin urmare ii creste si dmg-ul conflagratului care este perfect legitim.

Posturi unite automat, 02-10-2013, 10:03:53

daca ati observat am drdamage care sa zic asa calculeaza "formula conflagratului" pt nabi de 5ani, nu va mai chinuiti sa nu va doara capu

si probabil ati rapir si partea asta
ar trebui sa observati ca wowhead da cu calculele mele
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=t7g40x&&s=5#.UkvFU4YwodU
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9tes8j&&s=5#.UkvFhYYwodU

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Post Posted: 02-10-2013, 09:25:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Man uite acum iti explic ca sa intelegi in totalitate. Probabil nu ai inteles sau nu ai vrut sa intelegi.
Aici ai dovada cat se poate de clara. Am talente doar pentru confla. No grea no buff

Avem asa: 930*5*0.6=2790( ata trebuie sa dea)
Pe server mai face odata dip conflagrate la mastery si catacluysm
930*5*0.6*1.25*1.1(base mastery)=3836.25( in ss am avut 3837)

Aici ai immolate ticks fara talente deloc. (fara cataclysm)


Avem asa. 564 immolate tick.

564*1.25*1.1=775.5 + 20% increase din Improuved immolate =930
Voila!!!!!!

Deci e buguit sau nu?

Posturi unite automat, 02-10-2013, 10:25:53

Am demonstrat ca immolate ia odata increase din cataclysm si mastery? DA
Am demonstrat ca conflagrate ia si el la randul lui increase din cataclysm si mastery deci faci double dipping? DA

Mai multe de atat nu am cum sa iti explic.. Si pe bunica care are 4 clase daca o pun sa faca calculele astea imi da dreptate.




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Post Posted: 11-12-2013, 18:09:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

eqinox wrote:
priviti aici damage exact la conflagrate.
Mai mult ca sigur avea hastecapul facut pentru inca un extra tick la immolate. O sa folosesc la calcul 7 ticks nu 6 cate sunt la 0 haste. masery l-am calculat la 1.1 cea mai mica valoare ( sigur in video are cel putin 1.35 mastery)
Sa o luam dupa calculele lui soulkreep:
Avem asa:
[*]minutul 2:02 6389 immolate si 26884 conflagrate
6389*7*0.6=26833.8 ( aproape ca in video)

    Formula mastery+ cataclysm
    6389*7*0.6*1.25*1.1=36892 ( nu e ca in video)



[*]Minutul 11:21 9578 immolate si 40153 conflagrate
9578*7*0.6=40227.6 ( aproape ca in video)

    Formula mastery+ cataclysm
    9578*7*0.6*1.25*1.1=55312.95 ( nu e ca in video)


[*]Minutul 14:08 6591 immolate si 27691 conflagrate
6591*7*0.6=27682 ( aproape ca in video)

    Formula mastery+ cataclysm
    6591*7*0.6*1.25*1.1=38063 ( nu e ca in video)


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https://threadmeters.com/wow/tU9irG/Does_Conflag_double_dip_in_Mastery/



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Post Posted: 14-12-2013, 01:33:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Post Posted: 14-12-2013, 01:38:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

What has been done

1. Conflagrate no longer gets bonuses from Mastery / Cataclysm
2. Conflagrate will now benefit from damage increase/reduces from the TARGET (previously it was calculating the damage just as the immolate would hit a target without any damage increase/decrease)

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