[Multiple] Diminishing returns (Stuns and other CCs)

totala · Last edited by totala on 26-06-2016, 17:53:29; edited 3 times in total

Diminishing returns: abbreviated DR,[1] means that certain spells and abilities are less effective against player characters if they are used frequently within a short period of time.

Bug description: Stuns or CC of the same category physical/magic are overwritten and already affected by DR.
This means that in a rbg or mass pvp scenario a target attacked by multiple enemies could be immune to CC in a short period of time because the first CC is removed, overwritten and the following CCs are already affected by DR.

Paladin hammer of justice: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=853&&name=hammer-of-justice

My stun: 6 seconds stun

The second stun of the same category; overwrites the 1st stun and applies DR:

Rogue kidney shot: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=408&&name=kidney-shot

My stun: kidney shot + revealing strike https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84617&&name=revealing-strike: 9 seconds stun

The second kidney shot: overwrites the 9 second stun and applies DR: a 9 seconds stun is removed. a 3rd stun would make target immune. all that in just two seconds.

Proof: The first CC should have full duration and should not be overwritten by the next ones of the same category. DR should be applied when the duration of the first CC ends or if it's removed by pvp trinket or dispelled.
''When a spell with diminishing returns is used against a target in PvP, the first effect has full duration. The effect then diminishes by 50%, then 75%, then the target becomes immune. Spells must be used on the same target within 15 seconds of the *end* of the duration in order to be diminished. In other words, if a target hasn't had a stun effect active on them for more than 15 seconds, the next stun will have full effect.''

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Diminishing_returns

http://www.skill-capped.com/guides/shared_drs.php

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Diminishing_returns

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13987279290

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Stun

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ihmK9mg7Ew:

This also was implemented by blizzard: ''A more powerful spell is already active''

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/WoW_Constants/Spells

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2151590938

Thanks Exxcaliburr(paladin) and Ebalosho(rogue) for helping with the bug testing.

bossutai · Posted: 25-06-2016, 13:23:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

There's a single thing that's wrong with dr right now: It's duration is 15 instead of 18 s.

Iulyart · Posted: 20-07-2016, 01:25:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Quote:

(When a spell with diminishing returns is used against a target in PvP, the first effect has full duration. The effect then diminishes by 50%, then 75%, then the target becomes immune. Spells must be used on the same target within 15 seconds of the *end* of the duration in order to be diminished. In other words, if a target hasn't had a stun effect active on them for more than 15 seconds, the next stun will have full effect.)

and this part doesn't work... somehow i can be in a rogue's stunlock or silence for about 15-20sec without any problems.

Quote:

(It should be noted that the server does not reset diminishing returns after exactly 15 seconds. Instead, it checks every 5 seconds if there are any diminishing returns that should be reset because the last spell in their category was cast on the target more than 15 seconds ago. As a result, a particular diminishing return category may take anywhere between 15 and 20 seconds to reset. Most addons guess that a DR category has reset after 18 seconds by default.)

All spells for mop with diminishing returns. (source Arenajunkies)

Spoiler:

Crowd Control & Diminishing Returns (source us.battle.net game master...)

Quote:

We've seen some confusion recently about exactly which crowd control effects share diminishing returns. To hopefully clear that up, we're providing the following, categorized lists of all of the CC effects in the game.

For those who may be unaware of how the Diminishing Returns system works, here's a brief explanation: After you've been affected by a crowd control effect in PvP, there's a 15 second window for diminishing returns. The second effect of the same category (as listed below) that is used on you will only last for 50% of its normal duration, and the 15 second window will be restarted. Should you be affected by a third effect from the same category inside that window, it will only last for 25% of its initial duration. The 15 second window will once again be restarted, and you will be immune to any further effects of that category for the duration.

The lists below have been separated out into their specific diminishing returns categories. Each ability shares diminishing returns with the other abilities it has been listed with, and no others.

Spoiler:

later i will bring some videos to proof how it is working here

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Foxed · Posted: 20-07-2016, 10:04:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I don;t get a thing, for example you poli a someone the dr is 18 sec then withing this period of time you poli again with 10 seconds left, the dr for poli is reset to 18 sec or it last for the 8 sec remaining

madau · Posted: 24-08-2016, 01:12:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirmed.
An already CC present should not be overwritten by another one, the second one being affected by DR

Vengeance is in my heart, death in my hand,
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.

Nexflame · Posted: 27-08-2016, 22:23:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

madau wrote:

confirmed.
An already CC present should not be overwritten by another one, the second one being affected by DR

What should happen if a target is stunned and you try to apply another stun? The second one should be ignored? Should be placed instead but with no dr? Should there be a message warning players: There is a much more powerful spell already applied? If the new stun spell also do damage?