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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:13:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

WoW Freakz spell link: Shadow Priest haste benefits(?) - Surrender to Madness vs Legacy of the Void
Bug description: Shouldn't Shadow Priest highly benefit from haste multipliers? There is absolutely no difference between the damage/ticks while using Surrender to Madness or other talent.
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DPS to 100M with Surrender to Madness:
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VT ticks and spell damage/priority for this recount:
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DPS to 100M with Legacy of the Void:
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VT ticks and spell damage/priority for this recount:
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Time in which I have reached 100M on both talents (1:41 with STM vs 1:45 with LotV)
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There were really bad issues with cast sequence at really high stacks, also visual problems with spells coming off cooldown. In both situations I started off with Bloodlust and Potion of Prolonged Power.


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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:27:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I don't understand the issue here.
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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:30:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Using Surrender to Madness, I have reached 100M damage done in approximately the same time as I did without. While holding almost the double amount of haste stacks through it; meaning, with or without Surrender to Madness, I had the same DPS as I had without it, in the same amount of time. From my perspective, the talent did not do anything in regards to my overall DPS, shouldn't it?


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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:32:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

None of those talents give you ANY haste, yet you're talking about interaction of DoTs and haste?

Also, haste does not increase the damage of the dots, it just makes them tick more often. But they won't start dealing more damage

Update @ 15-02-2018, 02:32:09

While legacy of the void gives a flat 5% damage increase to EVERYTHING not just dots? Look at the damage increase on Void Bolt while using Legacy of the Void.

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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:36:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

All I have shown in my proof is that the haste benefit from the stacks gained through Surrender to Madness had absolutely no use for my ticks. Am I an idiot and there is no interaction between the stacks and ticks on the overall DPS?

Update @ 15-02-2018, 02:35:07

What are you saying is, while using Surrender to Madness vs Legacy of the Void has basically no benefit on the single target DPS whatsoever? Regarding the timescale in which I have done that total damage. As I have said, both talents behaved exactly the same in terms of that, reached 100M DPS in the same amount of time.

Update @ 15-02-2018, 02:36:13

Also, I am talking about the stacks of Voidform which do increase your haste.



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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:45:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Umm, you are comparing TWO talents. yet you're talking like "I took surrender to madness and it did 0% increase compared to without it".

"the haste benefit from the stacks gained through Surrender to Madness had absolutely no use for my ticks" => you make up the haste difference with the flat 5% damage modifier gained by Legacy of the Void.
Again, you are talking like haste does not increase the tick count on all of your DoTs.

Update @ 15-02-2018, 02:43:25

I'm just going to leave this here: https://imgur.com/a/1yDyg

On the first picture you can see that I used SW:P once on the dummy, got 616k damage and 22 ticks, this was achieved with 124% haste
On the second picture you can see that I used SW:P once again, got 348k damage and 12 ticks, this time only 15% haste. (10 less ticks than previously)

So as you can see, priest actually DOES highly benefit from haste, but you ignored the flat 5% damage modifier you get from legacy of the void. it might not seem that much, but it literally affects everything for shadow priests

Update @ 15-02-2018, 02:45:33

Regarding the "really bad issues with cast sequence at really high stacks", if you mean spellqueue, yes, I'm aware I sort of broke it like two days ago, but the fix is already in queue, will be applied today at 5.45AM Thinking

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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:46:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Looked through the Void Bolt vs Vampiric Touch interaction now, might have found the "issue" that I am talking about. While spamming void bolt, the VT ticks which get the duration increased, seem to actually reset the GCD of the VT tick, meaning, everytime the voidbolt increases its duration, the tick timer is reseted. I am not 100% of this but it seems like, should this be intended?


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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 02:52:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

The internal tick timer is not affected for either VT nor SW:P. Void Bolt just increases the duration of those dots. As you can see on this video, I keep spamming Void Bolts with no cd, yet VT keeps on ticking on its regular interval:
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Post Posted: 15-02-2018, 03:06:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Might be just the spellque issue that is giving be troubles. Should the 5% damage increase do the same DPS as STM bonus' stacks? (in comparison for single target bis gear/100m damage done). However, thanks for confirming the nonexistence of my speculations, much appreciated.


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