[REJECTED] [Mage][Frost] Brain freeze + Shatter

[body_B38]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=231584&&name=brain-freeze
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12982&&name=shatter
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=231582&&name=shatter
Bug description: X=any projectile except flurry
When you use any X + flurry(if the X speed is slower than flurry speed) at the same time the X should get a crit bonus(from shatter) just because brain freeze proc gets a Winter's chill effect.
For example, if you use frostbolt+flurry combo from a certain range, you instantly get a shatter effect(because flurry missiles are faster than frostbolt), but if you are too close, frostbolt damages faster the target than flurry, and doesn't get affected by shatter, which this makes sense for now. But if you are the limit of range to get a shatter buff or not, it will register that flurry already reached the target before frostbolt, but didn't got the effect from shatter.
Didn't test with the other projectiles because this is the most frecvent one and an important one cause you lose the buff trait.
It might be a problem with the debuffs which brain freeze applies(winter's chill).
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/MYqG5mT
In the image you can see that i have 36% crit, which will make with shatter effect 36*1.5+50=104%crit chance on frozen targets which theoretically should be a crit.

[Quicksand]

"if you are the limit of range to get a shatter buff or not"

bring me proof about such a limit existing and give me the exact range...

Currently the closest range from which Frostbolt+Flurry is shattered is 10 yards.
Ebonbolt+Flurry is 14 yards.

Give me proof that it should be less.

Update @ 02-07-2018, 15:41:56

If you want to make tests, right click on Combat Log (in the chat window), go to Settings -> Message Types -> check Auras (Beneficial and Hostile).

You will be able to see if a spell is shattered by Flurry if you see Winter's Chill applying faster than the other spell hits.

https://imgur.com/a/ym1tLl3 => as you can see here, Ebonbolt was shattered due to Winter's Chill being applied before EB hit.

[body_B38]

As I made another test there might be a problem with winter's chill because it doesn't apply exactly when flurry deals damage and it is a small delay for winter's chill to apply.
https://imgur.com/a/FuJSkgI

[Quicksand]

Please turn on casts as well in the combat log so I can see which spell did you cast and in what order. You'll find it the same way you turned on Auras. On my screenshot it is clearly visible what happens, I still don't really understand yours

[body_B38]

https://imgur.com/a/FEHJOI3

As I made a open rotation the problem is indeed that winter's chill has a delay to apply when flurry deals damage and in that delay time frostbolt can hit the target and results in a unshattered frostbolt. This happens at the minimum range of Frostbolt+Flurry to be shattered, so it make take a few tries to get it right. This results in a dps loss of losing a crit frostbolt.

I tried to take a ss of my exact position.

[Quicksand]

That is really weird. If you check my screenshot, winter's chill applies way before the first flurry hit, even at 10 yards distance O.o will check it out

[body_B38]

It is infact a few steps forwards or backwards a big difference, i know what you mean because it is a bit hard to test to get this result so.

[nyevid]

Quicksand wrote:

"if you are the limit of range to get a shatter buff or not" bring me proof about such a limit existing and give me the exact range... Currently the closest range from which Frostbolt+Flurry is shattered is 10 yards. Ebonbolt+Flurry is 14 yards. Give me proof that it should be less. Update @ 02-07-2018, 15:41:56 If you want to make tests, right click on Combat Log (in the chat window), go to Settings -> Message Types -> check Auras (Beneficial and Hostile). You will be able to see if a spell is shattered by Flurry if you see Winter's Chill applying faster than the other spell hits. https://imgur.com/a/ym1tLl3 => as you can see here, Ebonbolt was shattered due to Winter's Chill being applied before EB hit.

@QUICKSAND, there is a bug about ebonbolt that i CAN prove.

when you cast ebonbolt, the BrainFreeze proc it provides should NOT be instantly given. it should have like 300ms (or 0.3 second) delay.

currently in freakz, a brainfreeze proc is given exactly the moment you finish casting ebon bolt.

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[Quicksand]

@nyevid please for the love of god, stop sharing false information for which you do NOT have any proof. I play frost mage since the beginning of legion, there is NO delay whatsoever when gaining brain freeze from ebonbolt. The only time it is delayed when you already have a brain freeze proc. Since this delay shit came up a lot of times, i decided to make a video about it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZGPuEtRGpsI:



Please do not go offtopic with things like this.

[nyevid]

Quicksand wrote:

@nyevid please for the love of god, stop sharing false information for which you do NOT have any proof. I play frost mage since the beginning of legion, there is NO delay whatsoever when gaining brain freeze from ebonbolt. The only time it is delayed when you already have a brain freeze proc. Since this delay shit came up a lot of times, i decided to make a video about it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZGPuEtRGpsI: Please do not go offtopic with things like this.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QnUwkW6N4b8:



it's a hotfix.

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[Quicksand]

Jesus, please stop writing in this topic. HE HAS BRAIN FREEZE UP WHEN HE CASTS EBONBOLT, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A DELAY. You are seriously incredible.
So let me talk to you like to a 5 year old.
If you cast Ebonbolt when you DO NOT have a brainfreeze already: there will be no delay
If you cast Ebonbolt when you already have a brainfreeze: there will be a delay in proc, so you can use 2x flurries.

This works the same on our server.

[nyevid]

Quicksand wrote:

Jesus, please stop writing in this topic. HE HAS BRAIN FREEZE UP WHEN HE CASTS EBONBOLT, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A DELAY. You are seriously incredible. So let me talk to you like to a 5 year old. If you cast Ebonbolt when you DO NOT have a brainfreeze already: there will be no delay If you cast Ebonbolt when you already have a brainfreeze: there will be a delay in proc, so you can use 2x flurries. This works the same on our server.

"If you cast Ebonbolt when you already have a brainfreeze: there will be a delay in proc, so you can use 2x flurries. "

i already knew,
problem is, frost mages are complaining that the [if #2] is not triggering properly on freakz.

the other problem is: why you assume the worst case from the text i write. xD


Update @ 06-07-2018, 15:39:29

anyway i probably won't be able to prove this either.

Update @ 06-07-2018, 15:41:38

aye.

hunter's flare does not break rogue's stealth,


check that.

it's reproducible.

<3

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[Quicksand]

I didn't see a single frost mage complaining about it, you are the only one, and you are a rogue as far as I know...

Update @ 06-07-2018, 15:49:02

Well because you did not specify at all that you are talking about the case where you have BF prior to getting another proc. Read your own post again

[nyevid]

Quicksand wrote:

I didn't see a single frost mage complaining about it, you are the only one, and you are a rogue as far as I know... Update @ 06-07-2018, 15:49:02 Well because you did not specify at all that you are talking about the case where you have BF prior to getting another proc. Read your own post again

aye.
my bad.

it's fine. they'll eventually be reported by someone else, i hope.

(P.S. actually, i'm classless. i switch between classes quite often. :3 )

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[Warbike]

I can confirm there are no problem Flurry + Ebonbolt, if you have a Brain Freeze proc, then you cast Ebonbolt but you don't consume the first Brain Freeze proc quickly, the second one won't proc. Instead, Brain Freeze proc instantaneously if you don't have another active Brain Freeze proc after Ebonbolt cast.