Suggestions to improve PvP !

[LethalFactorLK]

What do you think that can be done to improve the Quality of Life of PvP players on WoW Freakz ?

Post below your ideas and suggestions which might be considered to be implemented after 7.3.5 Launches !

Please do not start flaming each other in this topic ( if you do you, will get warned ) !

Learn to give Constructive Criticism !

Here is a current list of what the PvP has requested (ordered decreasingly by the people's interest and the complexity of the idea) :

After each line you will find a more detailed breakthrough in the spoiler below, which is more of a suggestion and reference to the developers and the staff, and is simply there to furtherly develop the idea the main point already suggests.





1. Fixed matchmaking (Larger emphasis on who goes into which team - this includes the distribution of healers, MMR related matchmaking, average ilvl formulas, prestige levels, etc...)

Spoiler:

This is probably the biggest and most crucial update, that needs to be applied to BGs and Arenas alike (and preferably also skirmishes), and needs to make sure that the teams are balanced out (or in arena case, that the teams are in at least approximately same level bracket). I'll break down some most important points for each type of PvP that needs to be addressed:

1.1 For BATTLEGROUNDS:

The healers need to be distributed evenly across teams - instead of 4 healers against 0, or 3 healers against 1, it should be made that there's generally a 2:2 healers scenario (unless ofcourse theres a 5 man premade healer group going around, in which case you cant erally break them up lol, but we can force all the other queueing healers into the other group). The tanks also need to be distributed evenly across teams. Teams should have a simillar average ilvl and if possible, amount of traits equipped per character. That would balance it out, making it much more likely to get even fights. High prestige players should also be spread out across the two teams evenly (or at least semi-evenly), since the difference PvP talents can make is huge. Last but not least, premades should be spread out (if queue pops for 2 5 man premades, they should each end up on one team of the battleground).

1.2 For ARENAS:

The queue needs to start by searching for players within your MMR range, and then slowly expand if it finds no match. For example, if players of average MMR 2150 queue, for 00:00 - 01:00 (queue time) the only viable opponent for these players would be a group of average MMR 2050-2250. From 01:00 - 02:30 it should look for 1950-2350. From 2:30 - 5:00 it should look for 1850 - 2450.

Please note that the rating ranges and time ranges are completely fictional and are subject to change. It was just used to prove a point.

1.3 For SKIRMISHES:

Healers should be allowed to enter SKIRMISHES, but it should only team up DPS-HEAL teams with other DPS-HEAL teams for example (so it's kind of a seperate queue, to make things fair). It's important that healers can queue for skirmishes as this is the practice tool intended for working out various arena comps and seeing what works. Healers need to be included into the process.

2. Removal of certain game-breaking bugs (for example 12v8 BGs occurring, the untargetable flags in WSG and TP, flag capping while in a bubble...)

Spoiler:

Perhaps we could make a new forum section dedicated to PvP bugs. The thing is, certain spells might not appear to be bugged at all in PvE for example, or it's only visual, whereas in PvP these things can have HUGE consequences. Examples of this are flag capping while bubbled, which makes the person pretty much always able to cap a flag even against a full defending team, and should never be possible. Whilst players can report such exploiters on the forums, if we really want to offer them quality PvP experience, these bugs need to be addressed with high priority. Simillarly some BG maps are buggy (WSG and TP flags, AV crossfaction interractions, etc...). Either way, bugs that break PvP are very important to be fixed as high priority, since this is the PvP equivalent of a raid boss bugging out.

3. More rewarding PvP content (This includes k0s' idea about a PvP version of the Brawler's guild, seperate PvP quests and challenges with rewards, perhaps make PvP items actually better in PvP - for example a flat % buff in instanced PvP if the person is wearing PvP gear)

Spoiler:

Lots of things we could improve here actually, but I'll just add a few points for now, and will expand the ideas later once we settle on what goes through and is acceptable and what isnt:


1. The PvP version of the Brawler's guild, for our best PvPers with specific rewards only these players can claim, and with a decay timer that would remove the inactive players or those who get carried to a certain mark, then sit on their laurels.

2. Daily and weekly PvP quests and challenges to be completed with specific rewards (titles, mounts, transmogs, high ilvl gear, etc)

3. RBG events hosted and monitored by a Gamemaster for a reward - we could even make monthly Alterac Valley (yes, I picked the biggest BG here for a reason, cause it would draw more people to try out PvP, while still being able to PvE a little and feel included) matches where players could pick what team they want to play for throughout the month, then we'd run a series of 3 AVs for example, and afterwards give all the players on the winning team a small reward). Alternatively it can also just be smaller scale RBGs, such as WSG, TP, AB, BFG, etc...

4. PvP gear needs to be stronger in PvP than PvE is. Can be done by a flat % buff to damage (or even better, a flat % buff to damage reduction, since things already hit like trucks)

4. The inclusion of Rated Battlegrounds (if required, it can be made as a weekly event, or a few weekly events where a GM has to be present to avoid win-trading. If this is the case however, we should add superior rewards to this ladder so the community will actually be interested in doing it, and not just sleeping on it)

Spoiler:

RBGs are actually really sought after by the community, so I think we should add them. If required a GM can monitor it (topgun750 volunteers if needed) to prevent win-trading and make sure everything goes clean and well. Can either add it permanently, make it hosted events once a week or once every two weeks, or only open it on weekends for example (so we can check logs of what was going on more easily and punish any abusers accordingly).

5. Implement a "Choose faction" mechanic, where you can choose whether you want to queue as Horde or Alliance.

Spoiler:

This is not neccessary, as it's actually quite a step away from Blizzlike content, but it's a viable idea. Give the player a choice when he enters the queue what team he wants to be on - horde or alliance, red or blue. This way we get rid of all the people complaining they dont want to play on one team, we get rid of the people complaining about premades ruining the fun since they can always just queue the same side premades do and join the train, and we avoid having much longer and inbalanced queues that we generally would have if we completely removed crossfaction PvP. Alternatively we can also remove crossfaction PvP ofcourse, but queues and team strengths might suffer from it.

6. Remove the crossfaction mercenary mode masks.

Spoiler:

Needs to be done. These masks are hideous and ruin a lot of nice transmog sets. Can be combined with one of the ideas from above that address crossfaction PvP, but definitely needs to be taken care of.

7. Implementation of new battleground maps (Strand of the Ancients, Isle of Conquest...)

Spoiler:

From what I've gathered a lot of people really enjoy playing these 2 Battlegrounds and they should eventually be implemented aswell.

8. We need 3v3 skirmish to be scripted and working

Spoiler:

Goes into the "Fix PvP bugs" category I guess, but I put it extra, since its one of the major issues players addressed in particular. 3v3 skirmishes are a good way for people to practice for 3v3 arenas, which are a pretty big part of the PvP experience.

9. Fixing PvP-related achievements

Spoiler:

Also goes into the "Fix PvP bugs" category, but yeah, some people might find more passion and dedication in PvP if they had the achievements to showcase their effort.

10. 2 map removal from Random Battleground queue

Spoiler:

Allow people to remove 2 BG maps (or at least 1) from their random BG queue - this is mostly for people who hate Alterac Valley and tend to troll / grief when they are thrown into it, since it just takes extremely long to do. I would honestly even consider removing Alterac Valley temporarily and see what the feedback of the community to that would be?

Edited and organised by: topgun750 on 30/01/2020

[mystic.qwand]

Separating donors from noobs. Meaning, smarter way of "random battleground" where the teams facing each other would be roughly on the same prestige level or item level.

[Dontaskwhy]

Make it so that people can't capture bases in bgs like Arathi basin or Battle for guilneas with https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=138728&&name=potion-of-trivial-invisibility

[Lolipride]

mounts for marks of honor that are changed by seasons, so everyone will enter pvp

[Felizaric]

Random PvP:

Battlegrounds need asap fix with matchmaking - it happens quite often that 1 team has 8 players while other has 12 (BG is for 10v10)

Better distribution of healers and tanks. If its already cross faction lets try to make it so that 1 team doesnt have 6 healers while other has non (same way with tanks)



Rated PvP:

3v3 solo que need asap update:
There should be req to join like Prestige 1 (people without PvP talents are just weight to their team)
Also Ilvl is big matter, joining with 870 or so vs regular players is also weight. Most ragular players are 920+ (even if they dont farm PvE for gear), so I would say 890+ min req to join




And last thing and most important fixes for classes (but I put it last coz I expect this wasnt goal of this question)



Have a nice day
Felizarius

Cheers

[Dontaskwhy]

Fix the flag in warsong gulch so you can recover it like a normal person and you don't have to wait for it to return by itself also when it is dropped you should be able to take it.While right now you can only take it after its dropped if you are very lucky.
Also fix the option where you can exclude a bg so most ppl that hate Alterac valley can remove it and wont have to suffer cus of it.

[Cosmin050895]

Hello,

1. What Felizaric said about 3v3 soloq it's very important and needs fix asap.

2. Especially we need to do something for 3s rated. Right now we can barely make 3 teams to play and that's rare. I think you guys need to implement a NPC which gives you two quests for 2s and 3s rated. And let's say for example if you win 10 arenas on 3s rated you will recieve some kind of good rewards (that's for you to think about it).

3. And last but not least we need classes to be more balanced. That's the main reason that people are not playing. Even if you make a team, you will play only against one comp holy/ww/dk and you will lose every time.

The bottom line is... We need to make more people playing so we can have more diversity on comps. But we can't make more people to play until we don't have a person who will be only focus on PvP because right know a lot of classes are pretty weak. We need constant fixes on classes in PvP. And after some rewards so people have a "reason" to try it. And after they will try and see that classes are balanced, they will have fun and then the real activity on pvp will beggin.


Exorcizare Gets 100.000 Honorable Kills

[Dontaskwhy]

Nestx wrote:

Split the Donors from other "non-donor players",also would recommend disabling the "cross-faction" in BGs.

This would literally kill any kind of pvp we have now.

[deathsparta]

We need horde vs alliance in bg

[k0s]

DISCLAIMER: THIS IDEA IS VIABLE ONLY AFTER CLASSES/MECHANICS ARE FIXED!!!

How about we create something similar to Brawler's Guild, but for PvP? Everytime you win an arena or battleground, there is a slight chance to obtain an "Invitation Letter”. Considering that this will be a very special community, only fit for the best of the best, this letter should be a bit tricky to acquire.

By obtaining this letter, they will be able to unlock a portal to “secret sanctuary” for PvP-ers only, that can be accessed only by its members.

With that letter you can now join a new and exclusivist PvP community, gaining access to various perks like special mounts, toys, transmog gear, etc, that can be bought using PvP currency (ex: Mark of Honor), from special vendors. We can expand this idea by adding simple weekly events with custom quests (Ex: Win 10 battlegrounds, Capture 5 flags in EotS, etc), that are not too simple, but not too demanding either.

Why developing this around the “exclusivity” idea? Because people like to be competitive and fight for things that not everyone can obtain so easily, thus gaining a sense of achievement.

We can also implement some kind of a ladder that mainly focuses on the top 3 MvPs.

Decay system: if you are being PvP inactive for too long, your privileges can be removed. There will be two stages for this: firstly, you will not be able to access the exclusive vendors anymore and secondly, you will be forbidden to enter the Sanctuary again, until you acquire another Invitation Letter.

Who will manage this community? Noone and everyone.

This idea is not yet finalized, so any additions to the things already mentioned above are more than welcomed.

Trust me, Blizzard will try to copy us AGAIN on 9.0!

[Dontaskwhy]

k0s wrote:

DISCLAIMER: THIS IDEA IS VIABLE ONLY AFTER CLASSES/MECHANICS ARE FIXED!!! How about we create something similar to Brawler's Guild, but for PvP? Everytime you win an arena or battleground, there is a slight chance to obtain an "Invitation Letter”. Considering that this will be a very special community, only fit for the best of the best, this letter should be a bit tricky to acquire. By obtaining this letter, they will be able to unlock a portal to “secret sanctuary” for PvP-ers only, that can be accessed only by its members. With that letter you can now join a new and exclusivist PvP community, gaining access to various perks like special mounts, toys, transmog gear, etc, that can be bought using PvP currency (ex: Mark of Honor), from special vendors. We can expand this idea by adding simple weekly events with custom quests (Ex: Win 10 battlegrounds, Capture 5 flags in EotS, etc), that are not too simple, but not too demanding either. Why developing this around the “exclusivity” idea? Because people like to be competitive and fight for things that not everyone can obtain so easily, thus gaining a sense of achievement. We can also implement some kind of a ladder that mainly focuses on the top 3 MvPs. Decay system: if you are being PvP inactive for too long, your privileges can be removed. There will be two stages for this: firstly, you will not be able to access the exclusive vendors anymore and secondly, you will be forbidden to enter the Sanctuary again, until you acquire another Invitation Letter. Who will manage this community? Noone and everyone. This idea is not yet finalized, so any additions to the things already mentioned above are more than welcomed. Trust me, Blizzard will try to copy us AGAIN on 9.0!

This is an awesome idea.

[Aveleen]

More rewards for rated pvp (cosmetic rewards or higher ilvl gear at lower ratings)

Rated battlegrounds

An option to enable/disable cross-faction queue

Fix the excluding option on random battlegrounds queue

Fix the flag bug on WSG/TP, which was caused by the WSG brawl "fix" months ago

[wbn]

Hello.
Here's my perspective on what would move PvP in a better direction without going into too many specifics.

For arenas, a nice incentive would be to boost the rewarded gear ilvl. They should be competitive with m+. Everyone is spamming m+ right? I played arenas here on 4.3.4. and rarely remember staying in que for more that a minute till 2.2-2.4k on the most active hours.

As for BGs, disable joining normal RGB as group would be a big plus. Killing the premades. This way, people of different skill levels and gear are mixed. New players (especially) and those with little pvp dexterity get better chances to get some decent gear and absorb some knowledge.
Why i'm proposing this? Well many many times the score gap between one team with premade group and the other without is extremely extremely steep (think 2 consciously synced premades with 10 skilled people). People are getting camped at graveyards. This is fun for no one anywhere, and I feel greatly for all the players who end up in this situation.

Premade groups should be for rated BGs, and if you take into consideration boosting ilvls on arena reward items, premades might also que 5v5.

edit: I'm sorry I forgot to mention.. ^Fix rated BGs.
-druid, prestige 12, 53k HKs

[topgun750]

My 2 cents on the topic:

1. Disabling premade BGs is a no-go. A lot of people want to have fun and play with their friends, and despite what some people here believe, this would actually kill the PvP community.
2. The PvP brawlers guild idea is actually an awesome one, and I can definitely get behind it.
3. We should work on a way to implement Rated BGs, since a lot of the PvP community is actually asking for it. The normal BGs shouldnt have to suffer at that cost however, and if win-trading is an issue, I am fine by personally hosting RBG events two or three times a week, so people can actually play and enjoy it. As a long time PvPer who mostly found enjoyment in RBGs, I think this is one of the features we're missing to make the PvP community really bloom and shine. Its fine if we make it so the RBG cannot start without a GM's permission or whatever, just so we rule out the wintrading aspect.
4. Some hotfixes to classes and items will be required (in case they're not already patched for 7.3.5 ofcourse) - hunters or paladins capping flags while bubbled, rogues or others doing it while stealthed thanks to the potion, etc... These are major issues, and while we do regularly ban people for these exploits, if we want to build a serious PvP environment we'll have to fix these; not just punish.
5. Enabling legendaries and simillar items in PvP is a no-go, as it would furthermore ruin the balance.
6. Perhaps think of a way to alter the PvP templates in such a way, that the hard-earned gear of some players actually matters more (with Legion's templates scaling is kind of a joke).

I'd also like to thank each and every one of you for taking your time to read the topic and to help us with your feedback. We're trying hard to please the PvP community, and to keep you guys satisfied, and it's great to see you've taken the initiative to work with us in the process. We can make great things together!

Kind regards,
GM Topgun

[lyanx]

Fix all the bgs cuz there are some bgs that doesn't work
Rated bgs
1v1,2v2,3v3 arena events
6v6,10v10 bg events
More rewards for rated arena
More fixes for classes and pvp spells
Fix MMR cuz it is still broken