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Post Posted: 10-02-2011, 22:47:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_Among_Thieves

bug: p targetul meu se pune combo point (combo care se pune din partea party-ului) doar in momentul in care am deja p target cel putin 1 combo ; in cazul in care targetul nu are combo p el, criturile celor din party nu aplica primul combo point

dovada: http://img821.imageshack.us/g/wowscrnshot021011221333.jpg/

PS: Acest bug s-ar putea sa aiba legatura cu un "tipar" p care l-am sesizat d ceva timp. Mai intai explic (mai ambiguu),dupaia exemple. Intr-un fel sau altul, serverul nu tine cont de primul lucru p care il faci sau trebuie sa faci acel lucru pentru prima data ca sa aiba o continuitate. V-am lamurit de mama mama, dar exemplele vor vorbi d la sine.

ex.1: talentul la mag http://www.wowwiki.com/Magic_Absorption 1 rezistence per level , DAR magul va zice k la lvl 80 are 79 rezistence, DECI talentul nu ia in considerare lvl 1 SAU se aplica talentul doar dupa ce mai faci inca un level

ex.2: achivementul http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=397/step-into-the-arena poate confirma oricine ca se obtine la A DOUA victorie in arena , DECI achivementul neaga prima victorie SAU trebuie sa ai o victorie pentru ca achivementul sa aiba continuare si pentru http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=398/mercilessly-dedicated care de asemenea a negat prima victorie si a inceput numaratoarea din al doilea win.

spun k e o legatura intre aceste 4 buguri si vreau sa-si dea cu pararea si altii care stiu d asemenea situatii, daca nu e posibil sa ma fi uitat prea mult la The Mentalist -

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Post Posted: 10-02-2011, 23:54:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Intrebare de baraj:
Tu vrei sa se puna CP pe targetu tau fara ca tu sa incepi sa dai in el ?
Chestia asta e cam aiurea, din moment ce CP se "cheltuie" printr-un finishing move; se pare ca tu vrei sa incepi direct cu finisheru si sa nu te mai chinui sa pui CP -

Serios, ca sa folosesti cum trebuie HaT, trebuie sa ai un minim de CP pe target, iar orice crit al cuiva din party/raid cu tine are sansa sa puna 1 CP pe targetu tau ( dupa ce tu ai minim 1 CP ) la un interval de minim o secunda.

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 00:15:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tooltipul nu specifica k treb sa ai min. 1 CP k sa mearga talentul si n-am gasit o referire la asta nicaieri, dak ai u show it

intrebare de baraj: deci in loc sa incepi cu ambush,cheapshot,garrote tu ai prefera in loc eviscerate,kidney shot,expose armor? interesanta strategie...

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 01:33:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Iar iti dai cu parerea. Nu ne pasa cum crezi tu ca e, got proof? Post it. No proof? NU MAI POSTA

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 04:42:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

helias wrote:

intrebare de baraj: deci in loc sa incepi cu ambush,cheapshot,garrote tu ai prefera in loc eviscerate,kidney shot,expose armor? interesanta strategie...


In caz ca nu ai realizat asta incerci tu sa explici prin postul tau curent.
Ia sa-ti arat ce ai zis tu mai sus:

- vrei ca HaT sa aiba ca si trigger simpla selectie a targetului
- din moment ce e selectat vrei ca sa se inceapa sa se puna CP pe target ( in fct de criturile celor din pary de la tine )
- chestia asta iti perimite sa folosesti de multe ori direct finishere la CP fara ca tu sa mai te chinui sa aplici cp builders.

Nu am zis sa nu folosesti openere, am zis doar ca ceea ce vrei tu face ca tot conceptul de opener/finisher sa fie broken, deoarece e ca si cum ai putea sa folosesti numai finishere fara sa folosesti cp builders.

Oricum, pe wiki scire asa:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_Among_Thieves wrote:

Notes:
This effect only triggers from abilities, not from auto-attacks.
This effect can also trigger from your own critting abilities.
Firing a bow or throwing a knife is not considered an ability, these are considered normal damage.
This effect only triggers from members of your group, not from members of the entire raid.
Combat Pets owned by group members are (currently) considered as seperate members but within your group, so their critting abilities may trigger this effect too.
This talent has an internal cooldown of one combo point per second per group member. (The tooltip does not include the bolded part.)


Ce trebuie subliniat ( Triggere, toate critical dmg) :
- numai abilitatile, fara auto attack/throw
- are loc si la criturile proprii
- se manifeste doar la criturile celor in party-ul tau, indiferente daca esti in raid sau nu
- are sansa sa se activeze si la criturile de DoT ale tale/a celor din party

Ca niste mici concluzii: trebuie sa fi in combat cu targetul respectiv, asadar sa il ataci.
Din moment ce il ataci ma gandesc ca nu o faci cu auto attack.
Daca ai minim 1 CP inseamna ca e targetul tau curent ( sti ca la schimbarea targeturilor, folosind abilitati ofc se pierd CP-urile de pe targetul vechi ) pe care-ti folosesti CP-Builders, asadar pare destul de logic ca din moment ce tu te chinui sa-i prinzi un finisher, sa se manifeste si pe targetul respectiv HaT.
Din moment ce nu ai niciun CP pe targetul curent ( dar sa presupunem ca ai avea alte CP pe alt target ) sa-ti puna 1 CP pe targetu curent al anula CP-urile pe celelate targets, ceea ce cred ca intelegi de ce ai nevoie de minim 1 CP pe targetul curent ca sa se activeze HaT.

Probabil ca e un mini corebug in ideea in care e nevoie tot timpul de cate-un CP pe targetul curent, dar ideea la talentu asta e sa te ajuta sa faci mai repede CP sa bagi finisheru pt burst, nu sa ti le ofere gratis fara ca tu sa te chinui sa-l ataci.

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 10:42:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/613089-honor-among-thieves

"honestly i think it will be amazing in arena.. picture feral rogue.. rogue can stay hidden while feral starts on healer, you can start with full combo points easily. by the time the healers out of the full stun lock he'll have full expose armor, full rupture, will have sat through a full kidney shot, and will be about to get a full evic. this will do wonders for feral/rogue. a good feral druid has 50% (i guess its about 40% in arena) crit and attacks more than once every second.. you do the math "

"so let me get this strait, it is safe to say that a melee group will get a crit at least every 2 seconds...meaning every 10 seconds you have full combo point...this doesnt even count the rogue stacking there own, so it may be possible to stack 5 points in 2-3 seconds...sounds like alot of dps"

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 12:33:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

helias wrote:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/613089-honor-among-thieves

"honestly i think it will be amazing in arena.. picture feral rogue.. rogue can stay hidden while feral starts on healer, you can start with full combo points easily. by the time the healers out of the full stun lock he'll have full expose armor, full rupture, will have sat through a full kidney shot, and will be about to get a full evic. this will do wonders for feral/rogue. a good feral druid has 50% (i guess its about 40% in arena) crit and attacks more than once every second.. you do the math "

"so let me get this strait, it is safe to say that a melee group will get a crit at least every 2 seconds...meaning every 10 seconds you have full combo point...this doesnt even count the rogue stacking there own, so it may be possible to stack 5 points in 2-3 seconds...sounds like alot of dps"


Confirm, nu e nevoie de 1 CB ca sa se aplice restu. E nevoie doar selectarea targetului.

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 14:55:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ce ai subliniat in ultimul post zice ca nu trebuie sa ai CB pe target, dar nu zice ca nu trebuie sa ai combat cu el/sa il fi atacat.

Combo points nu poti sa pui random pe cine vrei, trebuie sa fi interactionat/il fi atacat pe respectivul.

Mai las deschis topicul totusi pana avem 100% blizz info, desi sunt sigur ca e cum am zis


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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 15:31:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Patch 3.2.0 (2009-08-04): Periodic critical strikes now grant combo points for rogues with this talent.

shcokere u zici k treb sa fiu in combat cu targetul ; uite screen in care eu sunt in combat cu dummy , rupture da un crit si hopa...0 combo points

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 15:41:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu poti avea combat cu training dummies la noi pe Freakz

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 19:36:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

poftim p player 2 screens : primu cand a dat crit rupture si targetul fara CP (in timpul critului) si al doilea crit la rupture cu 1 CP (care l-am aplicat eu dupa rupture) iar in ambele cazuri nu s-a pus nici un CP in plus
sper k se vd acuma k suntem in combat si ne atacam...mai target k target nici k poate fi un target

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Post Posted: 11-02-2011, 23:25:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu inteleg ce-i cu screenshoturile astea, unde e party-ul?

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Post Posted: 12-02-2011, 00:01:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

incercam sa demonstrez si bugul asta (nu-i nevoie d party pt asta):
Patch 3.2.0 (2009-08-04): Periodic critical strikes now grant combo points for rogues with this talent.

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Post Posted: 12-02-2011, 00:43:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu ai inteles aia. "Periodic critical strikes" de la cei din party "grant combo points for rogues with talent"

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Post Posted: 12-02-2011, 01:26:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu zic k n-ai dreptate dar https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51701 (wowhead link)

Just to clarify for those who may need it:

You do not need to be in a "group" for this to proc.
It works on your own crits too, whether you're by yourself or grouped.

Even though this was probably obvious to some, I initially misinterpreted it, so I thought I would clarify for those who had the same initial thoughts as me. -


si eu zic k are dreptate baiatu. din moment ce criturile d la celelalte skilluri aplica combo in plus in afara party-ului, dc criturile d la rupture ar face o exceptie?


revenind totusi la problema principala, shockere u ce consideri prin "interactionat,sa-l fi atacat,sa fii in combat cu" la targetul rogue-ului? targetul unui player dak nu ma insel este acel portret al respectivului npc,player etc. de langa portretul tau care poate fi schimbat printr-un simplu click. tooltip-ul talentului zice clar "current target".
uite un scenariu plauzibil: sunt eu cu un priest in arena impotriva aceleiasi combinatii. eu am target p priest k intentionez sa incep cu el ,dar e destept si ma scoate din stealth cu phyhic scream. reusesc sa ies din fear si ma indrept spre priest( neavand vreun cp pe el). nu reusesc decat sa-l ating cu un autoattack (pana acum eu zik k am "interactionat" destul) deoarece rogue-ul oponent imi da stun si ma tine in stunlock ceva timp (inca am targetul p priest). healerul meu, normal, da heal in timpul stun-urilor si din intamplare prinde sa zicem 2 crituri. se vor pune combo points p targetul meu care este priestul? garantez k nu.

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