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omg asta creca e singuru guide facut pe freakz unde poti zice ca nu e facut la plictiseala,nu pot zice decat gg la pers care la facut
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Multumesc tuturor de aprecieri.

Deoarece s-au reparat glancing blows si armura la bossi, specul de tankish DPS nu prea se mai merita, asa ca va trebui sa va concentrati inapoi pe DODGE, pentru a rezista cat mai mult. Lasati DPS-ul pe seama altor clase.

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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?

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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?


Boss unde ai tu enchant cu 50 agility si 25 mastery?- este cu 50 agility si 25 haste si e cam inutil, cel putin din punctul meu de vedere -



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Foarte bun ghid! Ar trebui sa faci si unul pentru Feral DPS - -
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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?


Boss unde ai tu enchant cu 50 agility si 25 mastery?- este cu 50 agility si 25 haste si e cam inutil, cel putin din punctul meu de vedere -


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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?


Boss unde ai tu enchant cu 50 agility si 25 mastery?- este cu 50 agility si 25 haste si e cam inutil, cel putin din punctul meu de vedere -


greater inscription of shattred crystal + o pereche de ochelari la baiatu din partea mea -


Da, ai dreptate eram cu capul la enchantul de head cu agility si haste, cat despre enchantul de umeri cel cu agility si mastery nu se merita deoarece in ds majoritatea bossilor au cele mai periculoase abilitati de tip spell iar avoidance nu te ajuta cu nimic la spell dmg + ca encahntul cu stamina iti ofera si dodge astfel castigi si stamina si avoidance. Eu personal prefer sa merg pe mai multa stamina decat pe avoidance tocmai din cauza faptului ca majoritatea bossilor au spell dmg foarte mare iar ca psyhical dmg ca druid ai dodge + absorbul din mastery.



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Post Posted: 14-05-2013, 23:40:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Momentan singurul boss cu spell damage foarte mare e yor'shaj ,si daca te'ai uita intr'un recount de damage taken ai vedea ca mai mult de 50% din dmg'ul lui este physical .

Posturi unite automat, 15-05-2013, 00:40:23

Uite chiar am un combatlog de la yor cu druid tank .Dmg primit a fost asa

Melee swings : 994000
Absorbed: 517000
Doged/missed 46%




Spell dmg :852 000


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O sa ma uit si eu data viitoare sa vad cum sta treaba.


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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?

Ba da, am uitat de enchantul ala, am sa modific. Oricum pe masura ce cresti in dodge, mastery devine cam inutil pentru ca nu mai ai la ce da absorb.

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Hmmm si da si nu .

Pe de o parte din cauza ca ai dodge mai mare vei avea mai putine hituri normale la care sa dai absorb .
Pe de alta parte hiturile care le incasezi vor fi reduse mai mult daca ai mastery mai mare .

De asemenea mai e si faptul ca dodge are diminuashing returns pe cand mastery nu deci e complicata treaba dar cu siguranta inutil e un cuvant mult prea dur .


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Boss legat de enchanturi cand ajungi la un HP respectabil nu ar fi mai bine sa pui echant de umeri 50 agil +25 mastery?

Am adaugat si enchantul acesta.

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Cred ca Thrash poate fi inclus si in rotatia de single target .

Uitandu'ma in recount la boss am avut urmatoarele rezultate (average/noncrit)

O aplicare de thrash--6721 initial dmg + 10 tickuri a cate 1102 => 17741 dmg

Un maul =>12134 dmg

O aplicare de lacerate--6119 initial dmg + 5 tickuri a cate 1660=>14419 dmg (desigur in realitate va fi mai putin pt ca de multe ori vom face clip la lacerate cu pulverise)


Concluzia thrash ftw:D


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soulkreep wrote:
Cred ca Thrash poate fi inclus si in rotatia de single target .

Uitandu'ma in recount la boss am avut urmatoarele rezultate (average/noncrit)

O aplicare de thrash--6721 initial dmg + 10 tickuri a cate 1102 => 17741 dmg

Un maul =>12134 dmg

O aplicare de lacerate--6119 initial dmg + 5 tickuri a cate 1660=>14419 dmg (desigur in realitate va fi mai putin pt ca de multe ori vom face clip la lacerate cu pulverise)


Concluzia thrash ftw:D


Thrash nu ar trebui sa dea mai mult damage decat lacerate. Poate aveai mai mult vengeance cand ai folosit thrash decat atunci cand ai folosit lacerate. Oricum am sa testez chestia asta.

Consideram un AP = 20k

Lacerate initial application damage: 3608+0.0552*AP = 4712
Lacerate DoT damage: 5*(69+(AP*0.00369)) = 714*3(nr de stacks) = 2142

Thrash initial damage: 1150+0.0982*AP = 3114
Thrash DoT damage: AP*0.0167+581*3 = 2077

Nu prea ai cum sa faci clip la lacerate pentru ca Pulverize tine 18 secunde. Pe durata pulverize-ului nu mai dai lacerate, decat daca il folosesti ca filler, caz foarte rar deoarece mai mereu o sa ti se activeze Mangle instant. (Your Lacerate periodic damage has a 50% chance to refresh the cooldown of your Mangle (Bear) ability and make it cost no rage. ) Mangle > Thrash. Cand nu o sa ai Mangle, o sa ti se duca cd la Maul si tot asa.
Oricum Maul nu se merita sa il scoti din rotatie pentru ca nu are GCD cu alte abilitati, deci il poti da in acelasi timp cu alte abilitati. E un damage bonus cum ar veni, de asta am si pus macro-uri cu el.

Sa luam damage pe care l-ai adus tu (desi cred ca e influentat de variatii de vengeance, deci ai avut AP diferit pentru amandoua).
Thrash tine 6 sec si are 1 thick la fiecare 2 secunde, deci in 6 sec prinzi 3 thick-uri.
Lacerate tine 15 sec si are cate 1 thick la fiecare 3 secunde, deci in 6 sec prinzi 2 thick-uri

Dai Thrash: 6721 (initial) + 3* 1102 = 10 027
Dai Lacerate (trebuie sa bagi 3 aplicari): 6119*3 (3 aplicari => 3 * initial damage) = 18357 (deoarece GCD este de 1.5 sec, inseamna ca au trebut 3 secunde, deci mai avem inca 3 ca sa ajungem la durata de 6 sec cum are si Thrash sa facem o comparatie, deci mai avem loc de inca un thick de Lacerate) + 1660 (DoT thick) = 20 017.

Dupa cum se observa nu se merita Thrash deloc. La Lacerate nu prea poti face clip asa usor pentru ca are sansa destul de mare sa ti se activeze Mangle instant, care trebuie folosit neaparat + ca mai dai un demoralizing roar, faerie fire, etc.

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