[FIXED] [Item] Alluriel's Mirror + Holy Paladin

[Zoomax]

WoW Freakz item link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=140795&&name=aluriel-s-mirror
Bug description: The effect detonates from the healing received from the trinket . It says "Healing an ally affected by Nightwell Tranquility ..." . So the healer HAS TO HEAL THE TARGET IN ORDER TO DETONATE . In reality if a target receives the buff, the buff itself it's going to heal the target and that healing has a chance to detonate . Also that healing can reset the duration of the current buff (I do not know the reason, it just does) . Also another problem that we faced during raids were the lag spikes created by our paladin . You can proc the trinket A LOT if he is using cd's during high burst of dmg to the raid . Bellow you can see some screenshots from our last raid .
Proof:
When the trinket 'detonates by itself':

Spoiler:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BVZKREcuPl8:

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When the trinkets resets the duration of the buff :

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=0HGPEWKQZMk:

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During our last raid he got more procs than usual and litterally freezed the entire game for everybody for 2 minutes . What happened there was the trinket reseting and detonating itself like crazy to all our party members.Here is a screenshot of his healing during the freeze :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/6R762pU

Here is a screenshot of his Alluriel's Mirror procs :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/dBNunJX

Here is a screenshot of his Beacon of Light procs :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/yPR6ze0

Here is a screenshot of his Velen procs :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/qhk1fl7

Here is a screenshot of his Aura of Sacrifice procs :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/ugX7P50

Here is a screenshot of his Leech procs :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/smkfbyh

And here is a screenshot of his overheal :

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/a/3NI5wVs

We think that during his burst of heal the trinket procs like crazy and makes everything go BOOOOM . We don't know why it does that, it just does it :/ .

Edit : Also , for some reason we can't see the rppm of this trinket on freakz database for holy specialization. I suppose it is a visual bug and it actually has one. Right ?

[kasatu]

Same thing happens to me. But i dont have the Velen trinket so i only can confirm for aluriel mirror and aura cd.

Hopes it gets fixed soon!

[abbasgon]

if you play with Aura of Sacrifice :

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Paladin-Holy-Talent-Aura-of-Sacrifice-Aura-Mastery-VS-Lag-Fps-t524291.html

this lag come from Leech Stat when you use burst . so if you want dont have lag+fps :

1:change your talent Aura of Sacrifice to Aura of Mercy

or

2: if you want play Aura of Sacrifice dont use Velen's Future Sight during burst with Aura Mastery , because when you have Leech stat ,( Beacon,velen's future sight ,Aura Mastery )Hits are to many than with out have leech stat. and Leech combined With velen's / aura of sacrifice(Aura mastery) / and Beacon (Beacon of Virtue).

3: if you want play Aura of Sacrifice and use all bursts cd ( Velen's Future Sight,Aura Mastery and etc) , remove your stat Leech.

4: wait for fix

and trinket [Aluriel's Mirror] think need update :

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Aluriel-s-Mirror-t528623.html

[Zoomax]

abbasgon wrote:

if you play with Aura of Sacrifice : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Paladin-Holy-Talent-Aura-of-Sacrifice-Aura-Mastery-VS-Lag-Fps-t524291.html this lag come from Leech Stat. and trinket [Aluriel's Mirror] think need update : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Aluriel-s-Mirror-t528623.html

We haven't tryed yet without the leech stat . I will update this reply after we do this .

[Elvenking]

There is obviously something wrong with this trinket. It proccs way too often and generates enormous healing.
15% overall from a non-legendary trinket?

You can look into several logs from retail how much it did on average people (nobody in the top 10 hps rankings used this trinket on NH bosses)
It's mainly used by druids so paladin logs are from the top 100 I link here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y8GKT9aAVWtNynXk#fight=2&&type=healing&&source=19 (pala)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8TZqHQLFvVbDRMma#fight=19&&type=healing&&source=3 (pala)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pmk1TjXY6bCp2GAd#fight=30&&type=healing&&source=1 (pala)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jYRqCJvVPn7KbTLt#fight=2&&type=healing&&source=27 (pala)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xBq72V8LvYG34NJX#fight=1&&type=healing&&source=10 (druid)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YwfXkprPLjyzW8dR#fight=11&&type=healing&&source=2 (pala chinese #27 tichondrius)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k3ayRgX8Ctmb1WPD#fight=1&&type=healing&&source=8 (druid chinese #7 botanist)

You can use my search settings to further investigate how much it did on average on retail, i already filtered for healers using this trinket:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/11#metric=hps&&search=items.140795&&partition=1&&boss=1865

Out of all this data we can see that the hot effect is around 2% overall, so if we consider that freakz is always special the trinket should at maximum do 4-5% total healing and not 15%!

[Zoomax]

Elvenking wrote:

There is obviously something wrong with this trinket. It proccs way too often and generates enormous healing. 15% overall from a non-legendary trinket? You can look into several logs from retail how much it did on average people (nobody in the top 10 hps rankings used this trinket on NH bosses) It's mainly used by druids so paladin logs are from the top 100 I link here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y8GKT9aAVWtNynXk#fight=2&&type=healing&&source=19 (pala) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8TZqHQLFvVbDRMma#fight=19&&type=healing&&source=3 (pala) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pmk1TjXY6bCp2GAd#fight=30&&type=healing&&source=1 (pala) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jYRqCJvVPn7KbTLt#fight=2&&type=healing&&source=27 (pala) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xBq72V8LvYG34NJX#fight=1&&type=healing&&source=10 (druid) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YwfXkprPLjyzW8dR#fight=11&&type=healing&&source=2 (pala chinese #27 tichondrius) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k3ayRgX8Ctmb1WPD#fight=1&&type=healing&&source=8 (druid chinese #7 botanist) You can use my search settings to further investigate how much it did on average on retail, i already filtered for healers using this trinket: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/11#metric=hps&&search=items.140795&&partition=1&&boss=1865 Out of all this data we can see that the hot effect is around 2% overall, so if we consider that freakz is always special the trinket should at maximum do 4-5% total healing and not 15%!

Maaaaaate . I believe 15% is toooo low . Check the hits of that trinket during my last raid in the ss I sent in the first post . It has 6.9k procs ! 6.9k!

If you add the hits on retail you barrelly get 150 .

[Elvenking]

Idk if you are sarcastic, but there is no trinket except velen's which does more than 10% of your total healing,
and you can't compare a casual trinket with a legendary.

Here is a spreadsheet for holy paladin 7.1.5 made on februar (after the aluriel buff):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WTRKEeOWmmKqbUFz8C35rSOp_A93BzgsLyQinFXagTo/edit#gid=329353511
On the bottom you click on trinket tab and see the result of each trinkets value.

Comment to Aluriel's Mirror:

spreadsheet wrote:

This trinket is a crap shoot. Currently set to be active on 3 people (3 RPPM) at 5% overheal, with 2 of those exploding onto 5 people. No clue what the proc chance for the explosion is. Need a lot of testing for this.

If you can't open the links i send you, here a screen of all the data:


Calculations for 875 trinket say it has 28.6k hps value (note this is not only the effect, also stats are calculated in hps value), the "extra-tab" number 18.7k tells you that this is hps of the procc effect.
Now your screen shows 74k hps from the hot effect alone and you are using 910 mirror. +35 item still nowhere compensate for this huge difference.

To conclude this:
-It should not procc from itself
-It should not detonate from itself
-It should have 3 rppm (ref to spreadsheet and here https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=225128 (wowhead link))

Some extra math:
3 RPPM = 3 people get hot each minute;
1 hot ticks for 12 sec healing all 3 sec = 4 ticks;
3x4 = 12 ticks each minute ==> 60 ticks on a 5 min fight.
You had 4:45 long fight with 6.9k ticks = factor 100 too many

[Quicksand]

To conclude:
HoT or Explosion should not proc the HoT -> it does not work
HoT or Explosion should not proc the explosion -> this was already implemented correctly (meaning it won't burst from itself)
It should have 3 RPPM -> this works correctly as you can see it on the website.
Explosion should have a 6 second cooldown -> this is not yet implemented

[Zoomax]

Quicksand wrote:

To conclude: HoT or Explosion should not proc the HoT -> it does not work HoT or Explosion should not proc the explosion -> this was already implemented correctly (meaning it won't burst from itself) It should have 3 RPPM -> this works correctly as you can see it on the website. Explosion should have a 6 second cooldown -> this is not yet implemented

If it has 3 RPPM how can you explain my 6.9k hits :/ ? Do you think they are caused becaused of the self-explosion ?

[Quicksand]

Because the 6.9k hits are not from HoT ticks, they are from the explosion. Which had no cooldown or restrictions whatsoever. 3RPPM proc is ONLY for the initial HoT to proc. The explosion has 10% chance on any heal (expect the trinket itself) and a 6 second cooldown across all targets.

[Zoomax]

Quicksand wrote:

Because the 6.9k hits are not from HoT ticks, they are from the explosion. Which had no cooldown or restrictions whatsoever. 3RPPM proc is ONLY for the initial HoT to proc. The explosion has 10% chance on any heal (expect the trinket itself) and a 6 second cooldown across all targets.

Alright, I got it . Thanks

[Quicksand]

Fixed