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Post Posted: 21-06-2015, 13:12:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

WoW Freakz spell link:
Bug description: Nu sunt sigur, cat ar trebui sa fie in mod normal, dar dupa acest print ne dam seama ca se pare sa nu avem pushback resistance deloc.
Proof: http://i.imgur.com/iojbxxD.jpg


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Post Posted: 04-08-2015, 14:53:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Avem pushback resistance. Faza e ca acum fiecare clasa/spec are pasiva lui de resist. Druidul restoration (banuiesc ca aia esti in screenshot) are Nature's Focus, daca te uiti atent:
Code:
Effect #0   Apply Aura: Add Spell Modifier %
Value: 70%
Spell Modifier: Decrease Pushback
Targets: Caster
Affected spells:
»  Cyclone   »  Nourish   »  Healing Touch
»  Regrowth   »  Tranquility   »  Entangling Roots
»  Rebirth

Nu apare Hurricane in lista de affected spells. Poate asa a vrut blizzul... testeaza restul de spells sa vezi ca la alea merge


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Post Posted: 13-08-2015, 09:10:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

In pve iei pushback din orice pe orice spell acum. M-am uitat la o gramada de filmulete pe youtube cu dps casteri si healeri la bossi cu raid damage mult gen feng/will of the emperor...in niciunu din ele nu vezi casterii sa ia pushback, nici macar 0.1 sec, si nu au shielduri pe ei.

Resto shaman @ feng 10h (la 2:02, casteaza linistit cat e arcane velocity, no pushback/no shields)
Destro warlock @ feng 10h (la 0:45 casteaza fara stres in arcane velocity, no pushback/no shields)
Fire mage @ feng 10h (la 4:34 tot in arcane velocity, no pushback/no shields)

La fel si la will of the emperor, la noi fiecare cast este afectat de pushback de la titan gas ticks, pe retail nu erau nici healerii nici casterii afectati.

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Post Posted: 23-08-2015, 09:11:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu doar la feng/will se ia pushback ci la orice boss, pls fix it
la gara'jal http://i.imgur.com/fpZpmbM.jpg
la tsulong http://i.imgur.com/vongGoY.jpg

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Post Posted: 27-08-2015, 00:32:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pls se poate interesa cineva de pushback in PvE? Casterii sufera grav in momentul de fata, eu ca mage imi iau pushback 0.5 secunde la orice hit primit pe mine si imi iau pushback in total cate o secunda la orice cast! Vorbesc strict de PvE.

Am pus vids de pe oficial in care nimeni nu ia pushback in pve, va rog este insuportabil la will of the emperor abia castezi!

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Post Posted: 30-08-2015, 22:19:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Same for warlock...pushback de la 0.2 sec la 0.6 la aproape toti bossi din PVE. Foarte frustrant pentru un caster.

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Post Posted: 02-09-2015, 15:36:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nimeni n-a zis nimic concret, doar "nu trebuie sa iau pushback". DE CE NU?
Pasivele de pushback resist au 70% anti-pushback, gen Nature's Focus. De ce ar trebui sa fie 100%?


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Post Posted: 02-09-2015, 16:36:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1aH01pNjfQ:


Pe blizz nu-ti iei pushback in pve. Freakz = blizzlike wannabe = freakz no pushback. problem solved.

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Post Posted: 02-09-2015, 17:24:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok, chestii concrete (imi cer scuze pentru text wall dar vreau sa fie ceva informativ nu doar *am vazut pe oficial asa ca tre sa fie si aici dar nu stiu exact de ce*):

Pushback (WoWwiki):

Quote:
Receiving a damaging attack while casting will "push back" the cast by 0.5 seconds. This is visible from the casting bar flinching away from completion. Only the first two attacks will cause pushback, in effect lengthening the casting time by 1.0 seconds. Some talents reduce the amount of pushback by 70%. The reduction is additive to a paladin's concentration aura (another 35%) which will negate spell pushback.
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Whenever a damaging spell or ability hits the caster, the cast time will be set back by a given amount, slowing the casting. In general any melee attack (be it a normal or a special attack) or direct damage spell will cause interruption. Damage over Time spells and most Channelled spells will not cause interruption. The only channeled spell which does is Arcane Missiles.


La mage ori nu merge Burning Soul ori sunt alte rate de pushback pe server pentru ca primesti pushback de 0.5 sec la orice hit iar acest 0.5 sec ar trebui sa fie valoarea default daca nu ai avea pusback resistance deloc.

Acum sa trecem la exemple concrete.
Spoiler:
Uite aici frost mage PoV la will heroic, se vede clar ca nu primeste pushback deloc de la gas. Uite si aici pentru feng.


Daca nu se poate face un general fix datorita lipsei de informatii sau eu mai stiu ce, macar sa incepem cu fixuri individuale la bossi problematici, momentan la ce avem valabil pe server doar will of the emperor, feng, si pheromone de la Garalon imi trec prin minte.

Ideea generala este ca channeled spells/dots date de mobi sau bossi, chiar daca sunt raid wide damage, nu ar trebui sa bage pushback la cast, la fel si damaging auras care fac damage continuu pe raid.

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Post Posted: 17-10-2015, 10:41:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

/Bump

In pve este simplu bug-ul, spellurile channeled sau dot-uri sau ticking auras constante (gen titan gas pe heroic) date de bossi /encounter mechanics sau pve monsters in general NU trebuie sa faca pushback DELOC la cast.
Mare dezavantaj pentru healeri si dps casteri momentan.

In pvp presupun ca merge cum trebuie.

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Post Posted: 18-11-2015, 19:24:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bump.

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Nimeni n-a zis nimic concret, doar "nu trebuie sa iau pushback". DE CE NU?


Pentru ca noi nu avem acces la cod ca sa ne putem da seama, iar proofs in afara de videos care sunt cu zecile sunt cam greu de gasit.

Problema se pune in felul urmator:

1. Pushback se ia doar la direct hits (inclusiv special attacks)
Nu la DOTs, nu la ticking debuffs gen Consecration, Titan Gas, debuff de la Kaolan, Tsulong, Garajal etc, nu sunt sigur pentru AoE de alte tipuri (ex. arcane explosion)

2. Base pushback este in felul urmator
500ms la cast, max 2 pushbacks / spell indiferent de sursa
25% la channelled, max 2 pusbacks / spell indiferent de sursa


La asta se adauga aura de pushback resistance care de exemplu la mag este de 70% => 150ms pushback la normal spells, 7.5% pushback la channelled

Aceste lucruri trebuiesc verificate IN COD SERVER SIDE, formule de calcul in cod, idul de SPELL_AURA_REDUCE_PUSHBACK in baza etc, voi aveti experienta stiti mai bine

Spoiler:


Nu cum a facut un alt GM pe aici un singur test si ne-a aratat o interfata de castbar cu 0.2sec pushback care nu stiu de unde vine si a zis rejected.

Nu zice nimeni ca nu rezolvati destule bugs, dar ceva de genul care afecteaza multe clase trebuie tratat cu prioritate ridicata pentru a avea o experienta cat mai buna, mai ales pe acest patch unde damage-ul constant pe raid e ceva intalnit la toti bossii.


LE: Dupa inca ceva teste, cred problema se rezuma la faptul ca se ia pushback din prea multe surse.

Ar trebui verificat / implementat ca acele spelluri enumerate si demonstrate prin videos mai sus ca nu dau pushback sa aiba flagul corespunzator adaugat la spell (SPELL_ATTR7_NO_PUSHBACK_ON_DAMAGE)

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Post Posted: 19-11-2015, 18:15:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mai simplu ( PvE side ) pe blizz (cel putin din SoO si terminand cu WoD) pe orice dificultate nu exista encounter sau boss care sa iti mareasca cast timeul la spelluri ( pushback ) DECAT daca asa e intentionat fightul (mecanica bossului) sa o faca .

Ca prof : Incearca sa gasesti un video in care se intampla chestia asta si nu face parte din mecanica fightului respectiv . Cele mai bune exemple fiind Will of the Emperor , Lei Shy , Iron Juggernaut , Siegecrafter Blackfuse (Heroic/Mythic) .



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Post Posted: 19-11-2015, 19:48:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Citeste postul lui mishu.cgm legat de spell pushback in pve, are cam toate informatiile necesare si afirma ce ti-am spus si eu mai sus.


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Post Posted: 05-12-2015, 21:36:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Please review the info provided and provide feedback.
At least take this into consideration for the coming patch.



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Post Posted: 28-08-2016, 00:29:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Fixed. No more pushback from PVE source.

@PVP Faceti un alt topic in care aduceti dovezi ca luati prea mult pushback (peste 1 secunda) si ca nu aveti aura de pushback reduce (SI DOVADA CA AR TREBUI SA AVETI) si vedem cum rezolvam.

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