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Post Posted: 16-05-2012, 19:04:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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@Problema la slam cred ca este din formula

Tamaie tu uiti repede ce scri. Revin la ideea mea, iti aperi clasa ca orbu.


Ori postezi ceva util, ori nu mai postezi.

Tot ce trebuia postat gasesti pe primele 2 pagini din topic, in rest, oameni ca tine care isi apara pro-abilitatea, cu care au reusit sa faca 2200.

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Post Posted: 16-05-2012, 19:25:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tianna wrote:
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@Problema la slam cred ca este din formula

Tamaie tu uiti repede ce scri. Revin la ideea mea, iti aperi clasa ca orbu.


Ori postezi ceva util, ori nu mai postezi.

Tot ce trebuia postat gasesti pe primele 2 pagini din topic, in rest, oameni ca tine care isi apara pro-abilitatea, cu care au reusit sa faca 2200.


Sa nu spun si tu din ce copac ai cazut.

Aia gasesti tu in prima pagina? Tot ce trebuie? Test cand faci, faci cu ce folosesti, nu cu arma de lvl 1, pentru ca asa iti iese tie slamu buguit.

Daca ai ochi de vazut, vezi in ce am postat eu tot ce trebuie.


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Post Posted: 16-05-2012, 23:08:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

106 posturi si nimeni nu a zis mai exact ce e buguit la spelu asta -. Postati in continuare sa aiba shocker ce lectura -
Btw nu uitati sa postati si aici http://forum.wow-freakz.com/4.0.6-Warrior-Slam-bug-pozitiv-t135482-45.html saracu topicul ala a fost dat uitarii ;((

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Post Posted: 16-05-2012, 23:41:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tianna wrote:
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@Problema la slam cred ca este din formula

Tamaie tu uiti repede ce scri. Revin la ideea mea, iti aperi clasa ca orbu.


Deci draga mea eu zik sa eviti topicul asta ca nu se da nimik moca care sa iti placa.Am adus poze sa se vada in full burst cu gear full cat dau pe 4k resil....daca e nev, desi nu cred ca mai e ca a adus phixelz poze, o sa fac si eu fara gear si fara nmk.



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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 07:20:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok ...
@Scott daca tu crezi ca nu a zis nimeni ce are spell-u' asta , du-te la un control pretenas.
Pt. ceilalti cu papagalu' mare , ori postati niste calcule in care sa aratati ca m-am inselat , ori nu mai postati deloc.E deja prea mult off-topic aici ; chiar nu-i pasa nimanui de aici cu cine sau cu ce ati facut voi 2200 , pe cine ati farmat sau alte balarii de genu'.

L.E: Phixellz , daca vrei sa vezi daca un spell e buguit , faci teste fara talente , fara gear , cu o arma low dmg , deoarece calculele sunt mai usoare acolo , iar daca iti daca cu "virgula" , evident va fi la fel si la full gear , talents , dar cu o diferenta de dmg mult mai mare.

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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 07:44:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

suckyourself wrote:
Ok ...
@Scott daca tu crezi ca nu a zis nimeni ce are spell-u' asta , du-te la un control pretenas.
Pt. ceilalti cu papagalu' mare , ori postati niste calcule in care sa aratati ca m-am inselat , ori nu mai postati deloc.E deja prea mult off-topic aici ; chiar nu-i pasa nimanui de aici cu cine sau cu ce ati facut voi 2200 , pe cine ati farmat sau alte balarii de genu'.

L.E: Phixellz , daca vrei sa vezi daca un spell e buguit , faci teste fara talente , fara gear , cu o arma low dmg , deoarece calculele sunt mai usoare acolo , iar daca iti daca cu "virgula" , evident va fi la fel si la full gear , talents , dar cu o diferenta de dmg mult mai mare.



Atata timp cat cu arma de lvl 1 iti da damage-ul buguit si apoi cu arma de 359, cu care joci efectiv, nu iti da buguit, ia zi, ce rezultat iei?


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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 08:31:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cum sa nu-ti ea buguit ma ? Daca la fara gear fara talente e buguit , cum sa fie full talents & gear fine ? Ti-am pus si clip de pe blizz pe 4.0.6 in care slam are dmg aproape egal cu cel al MS-ului la full gear , iar pe freakz dai cu app 6-7k mai mult. Cum sa fie normal ? Gandeste putin , 42k pe 4k rezil , cu un spell care nu are cd ? Nu e putin cam mult ? + ca pe blizz nu joaca / jucat multi la slam spec in pvp.


P.S: Am boservat ca joci pe blizz ... vino cu niste teste de acolo fara gear / talents , sa vedem ce iese.

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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 09:32:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

test complet cu fiecare talent in parte.
weapon damage min.3886 - max.5379
- https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) (5% damage)
- no meta
- no trinket proc
- no enchant/back proc

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link)



minim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 3886*1.45*1.05 + 430 = 6346.435 / crit 12692.87
eu dau 7444 / crit 14796

maxim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 5379*1.45*1.05 + 430 = 8619.5275 / crit 17239.055
eu dau 9890 / crit 16164

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) (20% patch 4.0.6) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link)



minim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15 + 430 = 8594.6803 / crit 17189.3606
eu dau 10110 / crit 23292

maxim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15 + 430 = 11731.54795 / crit 23463.0959
eu dau 13688 / crit 26442

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) (20% patch 4.0.6) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 (wowhead link)



minim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15 + 430 = 8594.6803 / crit 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2 + 430 x2 = 20455.23272
eu dau 10073 / crit 22613

maxim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15 + 430 = 11731.54795 / crit 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2 + 430 x2 = 27983.71508
eu dau 13736 / crit 28417

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) (20% patch 4.0.6) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12330 (wowhead link)



minim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2 + 430 = 10227.61636 / crit 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.2 + 430 x2 = 24374.279264
eu dau 12123 / crit 26809

maxim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2 + 430 = 13991.85754 / crit 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.2 + 430 x2 = 33408.458096
eu dau 16448 / crit 36278

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) (20% patch 4.0.6) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12330 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=29859 (wowhead link) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84588 (wowhead link) (30%) + https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=56611 (wowhead link)



minim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.04*1.3*1.1 + 430 = 15001.015050592 / crit 3886*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.2*1.04*1.3*1.1 + 430 x2 = 35830.4361214208
eu dau 16006 / crit 39111

maxim
ar fi trebuit sa dau 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.04*1.3*1.1 + 430 = 20599.194533488 / crit 5379*1.45*1.05*1.2*1.15*1.2*1.2*1.04*1.3*1.1 + 430 x2 = 49266.0668803712
eu dau 23886 / crit 52456


p.s. in poze dupa ce aleg specializarea arms weapon damage min.3886 - max.5379 se transforma in min.4626 - max.6403 datorita (20% https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link))
am tinut cont in calcule de acest lucru (am vrut sa subliniez acest aspect in cazul in care cineva se trezeste vorbind)

se vede si cu "ochiul maro" cat de buguit este slamul inca de la inceput fara nici un talent
cu cat adaugam talente / enchanturi / procuri de enrage acel "mic bug" care la inceput ofera un avantaj de 1k normal si 2k crit "MORE DAMAGE GRATUIT" ajunge la final sa scaleze cu toate talentele si sa multiplice avantajul cu 3k - 4k

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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 09:47:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cum am mai zis : e buguita formula ... pe freakz start formula e 174% wep dmg + 750 parca , in loc de 145% + 430 ... Pornest ide la asta si-ti dai seama cat e de buguit.
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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 09:55:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

dar exista si un bug negativ la acest aspect/formula pentru slam
cu cat arma si gearul este mai bun cu atat bonusul dat de slam scade
astfel daca ajungi la arma 2h heroic si gear epic heroic formula de calcul pentru slam este negativa.

cu cat gearul si arma este mai prost/slab (blues din reputatii sau pvp) cu atat bonusul creste.

exemplu

arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=62473 + gear full blues din rep si pvp

slam crit 74k http://i.imgur.com/LOCrt.jpg


arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=64377 + 4 epice pvp in loc de fostele blues)

slam crit 69k http://i.imgur.com/QOGM2.jpg

slamul a scazut cu 5k damage la crit cu toate ca weapon damage a crescut cu aproape 1k si ap-ul a crescut cu cateva sute -

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La dmg-ul care l-ai dat , e o diferenta foarte mica , 4-5% ... oricum bug-ul de la formula face spellu asta destul de op ; no cd , cast time foarte mic , dmg exagerat de mare. Warriori skill din top de pe freakz deja au inceput sa scoata talentul http://www.wowpedia.org/Taste_for_Blood din cauza asta.
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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 12:09:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Off topic : durham , te-ai obosit degeaba cu ditamai post si screen-uri , nici nu m-am obosit sa termin de citit prima fraza.

On topic : desi detin warrior, pot spune ca intr-adevar slam da damage foarte mare dar NUMAI dupa ce exista 3 stackuri cu MS. Asa ca , QQ more please, nubilor.


Ce uºurare sã realizezi cã eu nu sunt „vocea din mintea mea”. Atunci cine sunt eu? Cel care vede toate acestea.

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Post Posted: 17-05-2012, 13:41:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

durham wrote:
dar exista si un bug negativ la acest aspect/formula pentru slam
cu cat arma si gearul este mai bun cu atat bonusul dat de slam scade
astfel daca ajungi la arma 2h heroic si gear epic heroic formula de calcul pentru slam este negativa.

cu cat gearul si arma este mai prost/slab (blues din reputatii sau pvp) cu atat bonusul creste.

exemplu

arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=62473 + gear full blues din rep si pvp

slam crit 74k http://i.imgur.com/LOCrt.jpg


arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=64377 + 4 epice pvp in loc de fostele blues)

slam crit 69k http://i.imgur.com/QOGM2.jpg

slamul a scazut cu 5k damage la crit cu toate ca weapon damage a crescut cu aproape 1k si ap-ul a crescut cu cateva sute -



Tu chiar ai facut postul ala urias ca sa arati ca nu ai idee cum se calculeaza formula?

ok, reiau cu desen (de fapt fara, vorba vine)

Slam base damage = 145% wep damage + 430
TOTI modifierii vin peste acest base damage.

adica inmultesti si 430 ala cu 30 %, 20 % etc etc etc, pentru ca la asta se refera:

Tu ai la slam damage-ul X (1,45*WD+430), care creste cu 20%, 30 % etc.


Ti se pare ca scrie undeva: "slaughter - increases the weapon damage coefficient for slam by 10 %, stacks up to 3 times" ???

DAFUQ





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La dmg-ul care l-ai dat , e o diferenta foarte mica , 4-5% ... oricum bug-ul de la formula face spellu asta destul de op ; no cd , cast time foarte mic , dmg exagerat de mare. Warriori skill din top de pe freakz deja au inceput sa scoata talentul http://www.wowpedia.org/Taste_for_Blood din cauza asta.



Si cine sunt warriorii aia ma, esti nebun la cap? Cum sa scoti taste for blood, ca daca te vede oricare din ei da cu tine de pamant...



durham wrote:
dar exista si un bug negativ la acest aspect/formula pentru slam
cu cat arma si gearul este mai bun cu atat bonusul dat de slam scade
astfel daca ajungi la arma 2h heroic si gear epic heroic formula de calcul pentru slam este negativa.

cu cat gearul si arma este mai prost/slab (blues din reputatii sau pvp) cu atat bonusul creste.

exemplu

arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=62473 + gear full blues din rep si pvp

slam crit 74k http://i.imgur.com/LOCrt.jpg


arma: http://www.wowhead.com/item=64377 + 4 epice pvp in loc de fostele blues)

slam crit 69k http://i.imgur.com/QOGM2.jpg

slamul a scazut cu 5k damage la crit cu toate ca weapon damage a crescut cu aproape 1k si ap-ul a crescut cu cateva sute -


Tu chiar esti dus cu pluta nene, tu compari 2 crituri maxime intr-un bug report? Ambele sunt date cu procuri diferite?.....


Also, tu Durham, cand faci teste si iei damage-ul pe care il da arma din character tab vezi ca e deja adunat acolo bonusul de la 2h si cel de la battle /berserker stance :-J


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ba ce aberatii postati pe aici, toata lumea joaca la hs spec din cauza la taste for blood procuie colosus smash all day everyday ceea e mult mai grav decat slam care da cu vreo 10% mai mult dmg decat trebuie.

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Tianna wrote:
Tot ce trebuia postat gasesti pe primele 2 pagini din topic, in rest, oameni ca tine care isi apara pro-abilitatea, cu care au reusit sa faca 2200.


In general, in viata asta nu faci decat afirmatii pe care le poti sustine cu argumente sau suporti consecinte.


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