[Important] Warrior rage generation from damage taken

[Mr.Faith]

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: -
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Warrior generates too much rage from damage taken.
Dovada / Proof:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Rage#Formulae

Quote:

Rage is generated by being attacked. The amount varies based on the warrior's health.

Here on the server rage regen from damage taken is based on the damage, not on the warrior's HP like it should.
How it works here:
Vid 1 -> as you can see i have 109k hp, and damage taken varies betwen 1800-2200, and rage gain varies betwen 7->11 rage per damage taken.
Vid 2 -> 109k hp, damage and rage gain: 6121 damage = 28 rage, 6500 dmg = 29 rage, 6718 dmg = 31 rage.
As you can see here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-oCDuyl2FZ8:

rage gain is significantly lower, from all that damage spam warrior gets 1-2 rage per hit, not 10-11 like it does here.
Swifty video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l9Co4DvTOFU:

he starts fighting at 4:25
Sources:
http://calltoarms.blog.com/2010/11/26/rage-normalization-what-it-is-and-what-it-isnt/
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t105117-cataclysm_bear_theorycraft/p2/

According to elitistjerks:

Rage gain from melee damage
Here is the formula for when the rage gain is 2 or more:

R = UD*a/H where R = Rage, UD = Unmitigated Damage taken, a = constant, and H = Maximum Health.

a = 18.92. You can calculate your unmitigated damage taken from the actual damage you take if you know all the mitigating factors. It would look like Damage/((1-M1)*(1-M2)...) where Mn = Mitigating factors like armor, Damage Reduction CDs, and Natural Reaction.

I said the previous equation was for >2 rage gained because less than that it uses a different one. No matter how weak the hit, you can never get less than 1 rage. My best guess for rage gain <2 is

R = 1 + (UD*b)/H where b is a different constant from a. My best guess for b is 9.77, but I would have to do a lot more testing before I would be at all confident with that. For now at least it should be fairly close.

rage gain from magic damage:

Magic damage, as it turns out, is exactly the opposite from melee damage. The rage gain from magic damage is based completely on the damage taken, not on the damage before modifiers. I tested with and without Perseverance and with and without Barkskin up and none of it mattered. The damage you actually take is what determines rage from magic damage. It is like melee in that you always get at least 1 rage from any damage. That means every dot tic, every tic from a channeled spell, every direct hit will always give at least one rage no matter how small. Unlike melee damage, a miss gives zero rage. The equation for R > 2 is:

R = D*a/H Where R = Rage gained, D = Damage taken, a = 40.5, and H = Maximum Health

When R < 2 I think the equation is (the method I'm using to find the value of "a" doesn't work in this range so I am just extrapolating from what I can see. I have no empirical data for this, but it should be pretty close):

R = 1 + D*a1/H where a1 = 20.25

PS: Vids of swifty and finalrequiem are before 4.1.

“No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.”
Not for millions…not for glory…not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

[Nerd]

Un MARE confirm la problema asta.

Proof @ Freakz.


Warr rage b4 pounce :



Warr rage after few hits IN POUNCE :





"Munca l-a creat pe om, dar nici lenea n-a omorat pe nimeni."

[cosmi]

+1

My Passion

[Durotar]

+1
very serious problem
at the moment warriors have "endless" rage

[Mr.Faith]

Daca mai vreti inca un proof:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4fQPSkQR5CE:


La 3:06 el sta ca dummy si pana il omoara magu la 3:18 isi face vreo 60% din bara.
La 9:06 sta tot ca dummy pana il omoara un frost dk, la 9:20 vedem ca pana moare isi face 50% din bara...mai putin ca mai sus in cazul magului.
La 18:36 sta sa il omoare un rogue, la 18:47 moare, face vreo ~60% din bara
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Kg0a_kDi7Y:


7:18 warrior vs warrior, il omoara la 7:31 -> isi face cam 75-80% din bara.

Si da stiu, sunt din 4.3 insa nu au fost facute modificari la rage, pt ca este echilibrat rage gain din damage cu cantitatea de hp.

“No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.”
Not for millions…not for glory…not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

[owner]

Mr.Faith wrote:

Daca mai vreti inca un proof: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4fQPSkQR5CE: La 3:06 el sta ca dummy si pana il omoara magu la 3:18 isi face vreo 60% din bara. La 9:06 sta tot ca dummy pana il omoara un frost dk, la 9:20 vedem ca pana moare isi face 50% din bara...mai putin ca mai sus in cazul magului. La 18:36 sta sa il omoare un rogue, la 18:47 moare, face vreo ~60% din bara https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Kg0a_kDi7Y: 7:18 warrior vs warrior, il omoara la 7:31 -> isi face cam 75-80% din bara. Si da stiu, sunt din 4.3 insa nu au fost facute modificari la rage, pt ca este echilibrat rage gain din damage cu cantitatea de hp.

daca ar putea cineva sa imi spuna in primul video c addon fol swifty care ii apare debufurile pe target asa mare si ce anume isi da inamicul etc as fi foarte recunoscator

[adi014]

Poate ca pe arms...dar pe fury cel putin in pve e groaznic cand te uiti la boss si nu poti da cu nimic....spamezi ca retardatul berserker rage si stance ca sa ai 20 rage amarat

[Dazz1]

Da, aveti dreptate, rage gain'ul in PvP e gresit, insa in PvE e corect.

Rage Gain in PvP si PvE sunt total diferite din cate stiu eu.

[Mr.Faith]

Rage gain din damage-ul primit este acelasi pvp/pve, nu conteaza. Trebuie sa fie in functie de damage raportat la hp-ul tau...nu aiurea cum e aici.
Si da, ce sa spun...se plang warrii ca nu dau dps. Frumos ma, foarte frumos; dupa ce ca pe oficial waru nici nu se compara la dps cu hunterul, spriestul, druidul balance, rogue assasination, fire mage, mai si comentati ca NU LUATI DESTUL RAGE. Asa ca un mare L2P pt voi...puneti mana si invatati-va clasa.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2112093917?page=1 ->comenteaza dps ranks postul din 22 februarie 2011 (patch 4.0.6), pt ca 4.1 ptr a fost bagat pe 12 apr.
http://www.arcaneshots.com/random/the-state-of-dps-following-patch-4-0-6/ -> iar ranks dps de pe 18 feb de data asta
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=182522/list-of-top-class-spec-combinations

Sa mai zic ca nicaieri nu e waru pe primul loc la dps ? sa mai zic ca aici clasa e total stricata ? nici n-are rost.

@owner: Probabil Tellmewhen se numeste addonul.

“No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.”
Not for millions…not for glory…not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

[bigblackjoey]

Mai usor , nu incepeti sa aveti orgasm inca...
La damage taken , inseamna ca warrior-ul ar trebui sa primeasca 1-2 rage ? Nimic mai fals.
Inainte sa comentati , faceti-va temele si reluati calculele.

In primul rand , pe 4.0.6 pe blizz , nu am vazut pe nimeni sa dea damage , cum da la noi druidul si de ce nu , si mage , nu are rost sa mai adaug si pala prot care pe tank spec prinde mai mult damage decat un dps.

In video de mai sus , Swifty vs DK , ala are un damage foarte mic , e si logic la damage-ul ala sa primeasca atat , dar cand iti vine la noi un mage si iti prinde un 20-30k , sau un druid cu 30k + un insane crit de la un bleed , de iti scade hp-ul in cateva secunde , e logic ca rage regen sa fie atat de mare.

Asa ca numai fiti asa entuziasmati , nu am vazut nici o dovada , decat o formula slaba , and some nerd's having some wowgasm!

[BlackSun]

bigblackjoey wrote:

Asa ca numai fiti asa entuziasmati , nu am vazut nici o dovada , decat o formula slaba , and some nerd's having some wowgasm!

Asa, si dovezile tale unde sunt? Pe cine ar trebui sa credem, pe ala cu un video si cateva formule, sau pe ala care vine cu... mana goala, ca sa nu folosesc alta expresie?

[Mr.Faith]

Adevarat ma, https://youtube.com/watch?v=4fQPSkQR5CE:

la 3:06 pana la 3:18 sta degeaba pana il omoara un mag, si in alea 12 secunde ia vreo 60-65 rage, pana la 0 hp; si la noi pe server a postat Honourless ca in 4 secunde si dupa 30k HP are 100 rage.
Asa ca L2P la cei care isi apara clasa.

“No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.”
Not for millions…not for glory…not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

[bigblackjoey]

BlackSun wrote:

bigblackjoey wrote: Asa ca numai fiti asa entuziasmati , nu am vazut nici o dovada , decat o formula slaba , and some nerd's having some wowgasm! Asa, si dovezile tale unde sunt? Pe cine ar trebui sa credem, pe ala cu un video si cateva formule, sau pe ala care vine cu... mana goala, ca sa nu folosesc alta expresie?

O sa fac si eu o formula , warriorul la primul hit primit sa primeasca 100 rage . Ce zici , o sa ma crezi atunci ?
Am spus , si o voi mai spune , damageul la noi pe care il genereaza o clasa , fata de blizz , este foarte diferit. Puneti in paralel durata medie a unui duel pe Freakz , si pe cea de pe blizz. Nu zic , ca este un lucru rau , dar cand primesti 10k bleed de la o clasa , e logic ca rage sa functioneze altfel.

Majoritatea care ati intrat aici nu cred ca ati citit tot ce a scris ala mai sus..

+ Dovezile cu rage gain la video sunt inutile.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l9Co4DvTOFU:



4:25 pana la 4:33 , are putin din HP pierdut , si deja rage e full.

[BlackSun]

bigblackjoey wrote:

4:25 pana la 4:33 , are putin din HP pierdut , si deja rage e full.

/double facepalm
Ala dadea in DK, voiai sa nu faca rage? Stiu ca vrei sa-ti aperi clasa, dar totul are o limita.

[kyoo]

BlackSun wrote:

bigblackjoey wrote: 4:25 pana la 4:33 , are putin din HP pierdut , si deja rage e full. /double facepalm Ala dadea in DK, voiai sa nu faca rage? Stiu ca vrei sa-ti aperi clasa, dar totul are o limita.

/agree
On topic: Daca esti atent cand se genereaza rage-ul, o sa observi ca rage-ul creste mult cand loveste, si nu cand primeste damage. Ai pus tot o dovada la faptul ca primeste foarte putin rage cand este lovit.