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Post Posted: 20-12-2013, 12:40:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://www.youtube.com/user/MyShamanTV?feature=watch(are videos cu toate encounterele + nu are teragosa
vr sa vad shaman elemental ca scoate pe freakz in dragon soul nu in et unde zice zholl ca a scos el 50 k dps..., nu e posibil la 400+ ilvl sa te chinui sa dai 35 k dps elemental

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Post Posted: 20-12-2013, 13:58:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Well.. we always have simulationcraft

http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html

Ele shaman dps peste feral, enha, retri, hunter sau dk unholy, la bis gear.

Ori mastery proc e buguit pe freakz, ori ceva care e buguit la toate CLASELE si nu merge cum trebuie, crit chanceul. Din 5 slamuri pe warrior in burst cu recklessness si 80% crit, dau 1 crit de slam, pe elemental shammy din 15 fulminations, dau 1 crit, la 30% crit chance. Nu poate fii RNG...

# un shaman cu teracgosa sa testeze la un ultraxion pe 25n/10n.. teoretic ar trebuii sa scoata peste 45k lejer, undeva la 51-52k full buff intr-un fight de 3 minute si 20-30 de sec



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Post Posted: 21-12-2013, 19:56:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Well.. we always have simulationcraft

http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html

Ele shaman dps peste feral, enha, retri, hunter sau dk unholy, la bis gear.

Ori mastery proc e buguit pe freakz, ori ceva care e buguit la toate CLASELE si nu merge cum trebuie, crit chanceul. Din 5 slamuri pe warrior in burst cu recklessness si 80% crit, dau 1 crit de slam, pe elemental shammy din 15 fulminations, dau 1 crit, la 30% crit chance. Nu poate fii RNG...

# un shaman cu teracgosa sa testeze la un ultraxion pe 25n/10n.. teoretic ar trebuii sa scoata peste 45k lejer, undeva la 51-52k full buff intr-un fight de 3 minute si 20-30 de sec



Da pentru ca la bis gear trebuie sa stai in Clearcasting cam 90% , si pe freakz nu merge (la 4 piese de T13 dai delete la joc cand vezi ca nu merge clearcastingu calumea) , mastery nu merge nici el , la 55% chance to 2X spells ai undeva la 20%-30% , UE nu merge ,Critul nici atat pe niciunu din specuri nu merge corect. Cum ziceai de warr , eu unu dau mai multe crituri fara recklessness up. Elemental Fire totem nu merge...care e pff da 15k-16k pe hit ( ajunge la 40k pe crit), la noi nici jumate nu da. Totemu de 10% SP nu merge , ca intra celelalte buffe de SP peste.

Si multe alte chestii marunte care adunate cap la cap iti da diferenta aia de dps pana la 50k.

Este o clasa de "soft burst", si care depinde foarte mult de prokuri, prokuri care nu merg. Pe langa faptul ca sunt bugguri de stats, stats'uri ce nu merg corect la nici o clasa ( mastery, crit ).


PS: Indiferent de parerea voastra fie GM fie player , un lucru este cert "Clasele pe retail sunt balansate, exista clasa ca magul sau warrul care sunt top dps, si este adevarat, dar in spatele lor pe top 2-3 exista un warlock sau un elemental care da cu 3-4k mai putin dps, si nu cu 20k

"Zonoz 25HC warr / pala bis cu Gurthalak 90k-100k dps VS elemental sham cu Therag 50-55k dps" pe bune? asta e boss de 200k hit pe Lava B si cand intra mastery si Therag incepe sa fuga bossu.



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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 14:41:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BAmLO3ofE24:

( elemental shaman 4.3.4 with Tarecgosa )
It´s a nub spamming CL on a Single Target ( without Bloodlust) with itemlvl 401 °°°° 3 M- 40k dps °°°°



https://youtube.com/watch?v=qzkfBleYrDo:

( elemental shaman 4.3.4 with tarecgosa)
He is using the same Rotation as every good elemental shaman ( without bloodlost) with itemlvl 401°°°°°3 M - 42k dps°°°°°



°°°°° Both of them are not even full BiS equipped°°°°°°


So we know the stats

http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html#Shaman_Elemental_T13H

Elemental shaman with 50k overall dps


at the second video you can see all those Mastery proccs, srsly i have 23% Mastery and from 200 casted Lightning bolts i only had 50 Mastery proccs

Tarecgosa too:

215 LB casts
15 staff proccs ( 6,9% procc chance)


Take a look at the Mastery, maybe elemental shamain with tarecgosa
(Main lavaburst - Mastery Lavaburst- Staff Proccs from Mastery - Another Staff procc from the ( procc from the Staff Mastery procc)



It can´t be possible that i cant reache the 40k dps at 3 m without shashing my keyboard ( i have that feeling , how harder i punch my keyboard so the DMG is higher - )



There MUST be something bugged with this class, but i think you cant find those bugs
( Zohll youre doing a great work but please Help us elemental shamans ) :<


Odysei !!!

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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 16:19:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am 3/5 set heal items (for resto) cu spirit , si dau reforge la spirit in mastey si haste cu 2 ds dps trinkets si staff from hagara ilvl 398 si talentu Elemental precision fac max 20-24 k dps on raid dummy ...


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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 16:38:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sam bag pl in el de joc itemlvl 403 full t13- hc + DTR ( tarecgosa)

ajung la 45k Burst

si termin cu 30k dps pana la 3 mil serios e buguit pana la drq

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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 16:59:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

UnbannmeplsxD wrote:
Sam bag pl in el de joc itemlvl 403 full t13- hc + DTR ( tarecgosa)

ajung la 45k Burst

si termin cu 30k dps pana la 3 mil serios e buguit pana la drq


Fii serios ca nu e nimic adevarat din ce-ai zis aici, stii f bine ca scoatem amandoi 40k+ la 3mil/5mil

Ieri in burstu cu mine ai ajuns la 59k

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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 17:00:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Post Posted: 25-12-2013, 17:19:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu vad 35k in burstu aluia din al doilea video. Uita-te la damage-urile date de el, si apoi la cele date de tine. Vezi diferente imense? Tu probabil dai chiar mai mult in spelluri decat ala. A avut 40k la 3mil avand in vedere ca petul lui dadea AoE pe 3 target-uri - WOW.

Tipu ala cu spam de Chain Lightning, dau damage-uri mai mari decat el, da 59K lava burst la 401 ILVL pe dummy (unde sunt damage-urile alea de 150k de care vorbeati voi?)

Problema e clar de noroc, asa cum ai ajuns la 59k burst si ai terminat la 43k la 3mil (de mult cand testam amandoi, FARA fulmination pe dragonwrath), asa poti sa termini si cu mai putin.

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Post Posted: 26-12-2013, 15:43:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

problma e ca elmental oath partea cu 10 % dmg increase in clear cast nu merge , 2 feedback nu functioneaza , imi apare ca a trecut cd si nu a trecut defapt .bn 3 uite aici https://www.youtube.com/user/MyShamanTV?feature=watch
are videos la toate encounterele din ds in unele are teragosa iar in altele nu oricum ar fi da cu 5 -10 k dps mai mult ca orice shaman elemental biss de pe freakz

app zholl nu mai veni cu teste din et : adu un video cu un shman care sa scoata la ultraxion 52 k dps daca ajunge in 40 k dps e zeu . stiti chiar s'ar dona pt shaman elemental daca ar merge macar 90 % bn ....e cel mai frumos spec de jucat ca si caster ....parerea mea.

Posturi unite automat, 26-12-2013, 15:43:30

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tdWPgfHU1v0:

ultracion baieti elemental ajunge chiar la 55 k @ blizzard o sa vedeti la sfarsit prin recunt ca ajunge in 55 k si scade la 52 k dps dar tre sa va uiotati la tot pt ca nu prea apare mereu in recunt sunt alti cu dps mai mare warlocks rogs hunters etc oricum o sa vedeti ca urca si el in 55 k dps cateodata si tine sustained 50 + se vede la minutu 2:50

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Post Posted: 26-12-2013, 16:30:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

katzuu wrote:
problma e ca elmental oath partea cu 10 % dmg increase in clear cast nu merge


Juri? -

La aia cu Feedback, functioneaza, dar iti apare asa pentru ca spamezi butonul cand dai, apasa Elemental Mastery doar O DATA si o sa-ti apara cooldownul cum trebuie.

Eu v-am calculat timp de 2 saptamani Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst, Fulmination, Earth Shock, Flame Shock, Lightning Shield si v-am aratat ca merg bine (+Mastery din toate, nu mergea din Chain Lightning, acum merge) (+Fulmination care nu facea proc din Tarecgosa, acum face)

A avut Odysei azi la 5milioane 46k DPS la 402 ilvl. -

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Roshkatul wrote:
Well.. we always have simulationcraft

http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html

Ele shaman dps peste feral, enha, retri, hunter sau dk unholy, la bis gear.

Ori mastery proc e buguit pe freakz, ori ceva care e buguit la toate CLASELE si nu merge cum trebuie, crit chanceul. Din 5 slamuri pe warrior in burst cu recklessness si 80% crit, dau 1 crit de slam, pe elemental shammy din 15 fulminations, dau 1 crit, la 30% crit chance. Nu poate fii RNG...

# un shaman cu teracgosa sa testeze la un ultraxion pe 25n/10n.. teoretic ar trebuii sa scoata peste 45k lejer, undeva la 51-52k full buff intr-un fight de 3 minute si 20-30 de sec



Da pentru ca la bis gear trebuie sa stai in Clearcasting cam 90% , si pe freakz nu merge (la 4 piese de T13 dai delete la joc cand vezi ca nu merge clearcastingu calumea) , mastery nu merge nici el , la 55% chance to 2X spells ai undeva la 20%-30% , UE nu merge ,Critul nici atat pe niciunu din specuri nu merge corect. Cum ziceai de warr , eu unu dau mai multe crituri fara recklessness up. Elemental Fire totem nu merge...care e pff da 15k-16k pe hit ( ajunge la 40k pe crit), la noi nici jumate nu da. Totemu de 10% SP nu merge , ca intra celelalte buffe de SP peste.

Si multe alte chestii marunte care adunate cap la cap iti da diferenta aia de dps pana la 50k.

Este o clasa de "soft burst", si care depinde foarte mult de prokuri, prokuri care nu merg. Pe langa faptul ca sunt bugguri de stats, stats'uri ce nu merg corect la nici o clasa ( mastery, crit ).


PS: Indiferent de parerea voastra fie GM fie player , un lucru este cert "Clasele pe retail sunt balansate, exista clasa ca magul sau warrul care sunt top dps, si este adevarat, dar in spatele lor pe top 2-3 exista un warlock sau un elemental care da cu 3-4k mai putin dps, si nu cu 20k

"Zonoz 25HC warr / pala bis cu Gurthalak 90k-100k dps VS elemental sham cu Therag 50-55k dps" pe bune? asta e boss de 200k hit pe Lava B si cand intra mastery si Therag incepe sa fuga bossu.


Ma doare capul sa-ti raspund la tot ce-ai scris aici, dar o sa raspund sa vedeti ca chiar ne pasa. In 10-15 minute editez.

1) Ok, pentru cine nu stie, atunci cand ai Clearcasting pe tine, si dai un crit, in loc sa ti se puna 2 stackuri, ti se pune doar 1. Deci pierzi 1 stack de fiecare data cand dai crit cu Clearcasting pe tine.

Sa zicem ca pierzi 100 de stacks intr-un fight de 200 secunde. (Ceea ce e mult, cred ca nu pierzi nici 50)
Sa zicem ca toate stacks ar fi pierdute pe Lava Bursts de 50k. (deci 100 x 5k = 500k)

500K damage pierdut intr-un fight de Ultraxion care e vreo 3.5 minute, adica 200 secunda, inseamna 500k/200 = 2.5k DPS.

Da, ar fi SUPERB sa fie un "boost" de 2.5k DPS daca se repara aia, dar 2.5K asta e intr-un mediu perfect, in care ai pierdut O SUTA de stacks TOATE PE LAVA BURST.

2) Mastery nu merge? Daca testez la 10k spells si merge, ce faci?

3) Crit nu merge? Am aratat la Fire Magi ca aia se plangeau ca ultimele fetite ca nu merge, cu 5 MII DE FIREBALLS ca merge PERFECT, cu orice glyph / talent

4) UE nu merge ---- Ok, ai dreptate, nu se stackeaza bine cu celelalte, dar in toate guide de shaman arata ca oricum nu ar trebui folosit.

5) Fire elemental nu merge? De ce nu e niciun bug report care zice macar ca da prea putin damage?

6) Totemu de SP, spune-le magilor / shamanilor sa nu mai dea buffu de 6% si se rezolva, eu n-am problema in niciun raid cu asa ceva Raised eyebrow

7) Cu Warr/pala care dau "90-100k" la Zon'ozz
--- a) Arata-mi tu print recent cu 90-100k la Zon'ozz facut de oricine
--- b) Warr/Pala aia dau asa tare pentru ca
------ b.1) Stau non-stop pe boss care are damage increase
------ b.2) Stau si langa Claw si dau putin AoE, sanse mai mari de gurth, etc
------ b.3) Tu stai si te chinui sa bati Ochii, care nu au damage increase, si trebuie sa-ti resetezi toata rotatia etc

Ia incearca sa convingi guildu sa te lase si pe tine non-stop pe Zon'ozz / Yorsahj, si la Yor'sahj sa te lase NUMAI PE TINE sa dai AOE pe black adds, sa vezi cat dps scoti - Asa sunt facute si DPS-urile din World of Logs, dar voi credeti ca sunt facute legit.

La Ultraxion se pierde DPS pentru ca iti iese totemu de fiecare data cand intri in realm, si stai sa pui iar.

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Post Posted: 26-12-2013, 16:55:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

wow a scos odysei 46 k dps "la dummy" hai sa vedem ce face la ultraxion trece de 45k dps sau ajunge acolo macar?
sper sa nu mi'o iei in nume de rau odysei te stiu ca joci bn elemental chiar foarte bine, oricum zholl cu.m am zis si lu odysei sa nu mi'o iei in nume de rau dar as vr sa vad in raid in dragon soul nu la dummy asa cva @ ultraxion
pot sa aduc inca vreo 10 filmultete dp blizz cu elemental unde trece de 50 k in raid nu pe dummy
e clar ca cva nu merge cu.m trebuie !eu o sa insist in continuare ca bonus dmg la clear cast nu merge cu.m trebuie

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Post Posted: 26-12-2013, 16:56:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

katzuu wrote:
eu o sa insist in continuare ca bonus dmg la clear cast nu merge cu.m trebuie


Inseamna ca te bate matematica sau wowul sau viata. Pick one -



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haideti sa insultam cand nu avem alte argumente sa explicam diferenta dintre 50k + dps (blizz) si maxim 45k dps(aici la noi pe freakz)
repet nu am vazut shaman sa treaca de 45 k dps la ultra (cunosc vreo 4 donati bis)+ eu 403 ilvl pve nedonat!!

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katzuu wrote:
haideti sa insultam cand nu avem alte argumente sa explicam diferenta dintre 50k + dps (blizz) si maxim 45k dps(aici la noi pe freakz)
repet nu am vazut shaman sa treaca de 45 k dps la ultra (cunosc vreo 4 donati bis)+ eu 403 ilvl pve nedonat!!


Huh? Eu te-am `semi-insultat` pentru ca `insisti` in a zice ca ceva nu merge cand merge clar, si ti-am si dovedit.

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