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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 21:22:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sa urmariti si retri, a fost o arena in care a dat 3kk in nici 10-15 sec, eu(hunter) si rogue am dat fiecare cam 1.5kk

https://www.freakz.ro/forum/achievement-Unique-a176.html
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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 21:31:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Retu da o tona de dmg cu https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210220 (wowhead link) . si e dmg pe zona. Daca de ex il da 1% HP iti ia cam 800k.
Am testat in duel si ciflere par ok. O sa mai testez sa vad daca interactioneaza cumva cu dmg increasu de la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=20271 (wowhead link) ca pare cateodata ca da mai mult de 35% din missing hp.

Quicksand,
te-ar ajuta daca dupa ce termin cu posturile la toate clasele sa le trag linie si sa fac niste calcule finale?
Adica din ce vad multe stats tot scad si cresc de mai multe ori. As putea sa pun acolo procentul final sau chiar valoare finala a statului respectiv.

Si inca ceva .. ii pus multiplieru de baza la casteri la 1.55 in ceea ce priveste primary stat intelect?
Ideea e ca in buildu din 3 august daca la un caster nu scrie nimic la stat template - primary.. inseamna ca are 155%.





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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 21:56:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Daca reusesti sa scrii valorile corecte, nu mai e nevoie de calcule Thinking Formulele la ratings (crit, mastery, etc, chiar si la stamina) sunt iarasi scoase cu usurinta din client, numai procentajele nu sunt documentate de blizz. In rest ar trebui sa mearga (bonus pct de la iLvl e deja implementat). Mai e de vazut ce e cu spells, dar acolo iarasi n-are sens sa pierzi timpul, ca blizzard le-a facut public.
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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 22:43:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Is cam pe langa cu chestiile astea.. -

Sa zicem ca.. sa dau un examplu teoretic..
Rogu are sa zicem agility ca primary stat 100%
de-a lungu a enspe hotfixuri se intampla urmatoarele la agility
-5%
-10
+10%
-5%

asta inseamna ca noi trebuie sa bagam -10% agility.
Valoarea aia finala o poti scoasa din client sau trebuie facute calculele?



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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 23:23:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

raven3 wrote:
Retu da o tona de dmg cu https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210220 (wowhead link) . si e dmg pe zona. Daca de ex il da 1% HP iti ia cam 800k.
Am testat in duel si ciflere par ok. O sa mai testez sa vad daca interactioneaza cumva cu dmg increasu de la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=20271 (wowhead link) ca pare cateodata ca da mai mult de 35% din missing hp.

Quicksand,
te-ar ajuta daca dupa ce termin cu posturile la toate clasele sa le trag linie si sa fac niste calcule finale?
Adica din ce vad multe stats tot scad si cresc de mai multe ori. As putea sa pun acolo procentul final sau chiar valoare finala a statului respectiv.

Si inca ceva .. ii pus multiplieru de baza la casteri la 1.55 in ceea ce priveste primary stat intelect?
Ideea e ca in buildu din 3 august daca la un caster nu scrie nimic la stat template - primary.. inseamna ca are 155%.


https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=213757

Foarte vizibil, 700k-800k non crit constant.


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Post Posted: 03-04-2017, 23:39:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

da..
si execution sentence da mult dmg da in principal pentru ca nu e ajustat spellu la 85% + ca retu ar trebui sa aiba cam 70-75% str in arena.
Pe live o sa dea mult mai putin + ca poate lua dispel.



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Post Posted: 04-04-2017, 08:09:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

raven3 wrote:
Is cam pe langa cu chestiile astea.. -

Sa zicem ca.. sa dau un examplu teoretic..
Rogu are sa zicem agility ca primary stat 100%
de-a lungu a enspe hotfixuri se intampla urmatoarele la agility
-5%
-10
+10%
-5%

asta inseamna ca noi trebuie sa bagam -10% agility.
Valoarea aia finala o poti scoasa din client sau trebuie facute calculele?


Pentru asta trebuie sa ne ducem noi si va vedem ce a aparut in hotfixes etc.
Ce se poate lua din client: procentajele pentru SPELL SCALING (pvp) si valoarea ratingului (gen de unde vine 4349 ca Mastery, la care se aplica procentajele pe care le iei tu din hotfixes; sau 22k stamina, etc.)

Dar la ce spui tu nu prea avem alta documentatie decat patchnotes/hotfixes

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Post Posted: 04-04-2017, 21:43:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ah..
Deci spell scalingu il poti luat direct adaptat pentru 7.1.5 ?
Gen ca revival de la monk da 200% in pvp sau heal de la holy priest da 200% in pvp etc

Am inceput sa trag linie la posturile mele
o sa pun la sfarsit stat template-urile care rezulta din toate patchnotesurile si hotfixurile pe care le-am gasit.
Le gasesti la sfarsitu postului
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5497556.html
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5497602.html

PS te poti uita te rog peste https://forum.wow-freakz.com/General-Battle-fatigue-t460974.html ?



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Post Posted: 04-04-2017, 22:10:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Exact cum spui. Daca te duci la spellfinder @freakz website deja apar cu verde daca un spell are pvp scalimg (nu-s 100% ca apare si pentru playerii sau numai pt devs, dar teoretic le avem implementat. Daca mai sunt probleme o sa ma uit peste ele -
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Post Posted: 06-04-2017, 20:51:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

raven3 wrote:
ca retu ar trebui sa aiba cam 70-75% str in arena


70-75% din ce?

Din cate am vazut, strength-ul tau in PvP nu tine cont de gear, e modificat doar de ilvl, practic la fiecare 10 ilvls peste 800 ai alte stats.
Iar legat de dmg, Holy Wrath nu mai era folosit in PvP dupa nerf, iar Execution Sentence e PvE talent. In schimb, pre-nerf, am dat si 1,3 mil cu Justicar's Vengeance intr-un BG (fara berserking), intr-o perioada in care playerii aveau 2-2,3 mil hp.



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Post Posted: 06-04-2017, 20:59:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

din base primary stat

"Primary Stat (Agility, Intellect, Strength): 11475
Secondary Stat (Mastery, Critical Strike, Haste, Versatility): 4079
Stamina: 22000

For each spec, these stats are adjusted up or down by a multiplier that defaults to 1.0 (or 100%)."

astea is valorile din arena
si clasele/specurile au template diferite. Dupa calculele mele retu trebuie sa ia 78% din templatul de baza - 11475 str.





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Post Posted: 06-04-2017, 22:40:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

N-am idee cum trebuie sa mearga, dar in patch-ul curent arata cam asa.




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Post Posted: 07-04-2017, 01:14:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@blacksun in pvp nu mai tine cont de nimic. ai base stats cum a spus si raven Primary Stat (Agility, Intellect, Strength): 11475
Secondary Stat (Mastery, Critical Strike, Haste, Versatility): 4079
Stamina: 22000
din astea, in funcite de ce spec iei tu, sa zicem unholy dk, isi ia din 11475 strength in pvp environment 75-80% depinde(nu stiu exact valoarea, e postata de raven), si 120% stamina etc. nu mai ai treaba de gear. ilvl`ul conteaza doar la scaling. 10 ilvl inseamna 1% increase in scalingul din base stats



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Post Posted: 07-04-2017, 08:53:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

SS-ul ala e facut in PvP, unde am 23k strength, departe de valoarea de care vorbiti voi. Daca echipez un trinket cu intellect de acelasi ilvl, strength-ul ramane la fel, daca-l scot de tot si imi scade ilvl-ul, imi scad toate stat-urile (inclusiv secondary). In 7.1 luam downscale la 870, si imi aparea un buff de 7% dmg si stamina.
Acum dau aproximativ 350k cu TV (cu tot cu talentul de pe arma de 10% dmg si stam), inainte dadeam 300k.



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Post Posted: 07-04-2017, 11:14:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

"ai base stats cum a spus si raven Primary Stat (Agility, Intellect, Strength): 11475
Secondary Stat (Mastery, Critical Strike, Haste, Versatility): 4079
Stamina: 22000 "

alea-s staturi din august 2016, s-a schimbat foarte mult de atunci, de aia are BlackSun 23k strength pe poza. valorile de template sunt calculate corect (valorile concrete, nu procentajele), tot ce avem nevoie sa modificam procentajele pentru fiecare clasa/spec si va fi okay -

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