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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 20:32:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Doturile imprastiate cu impact ignora dmg reduction effects (poate chiar resil) nu am timp sa testez mai amanuntit momentam.
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Se observa in printurile de mai jos, cum dmg este acelasi dupa surv instincts. La inceput nu stiam de la ce putea fi ... aparent este de la impact spread.



http://www.wowpedia.org/Combustion

Hotfix (2011-07-26): "Combustion should no longer ignore damage modifiers on a target. As an example, Smoldering Elemental packs in the Firelands should no longer take full damage from Impact’s spread of Combustion, despite these creatures having damage reduction modifiers."

De asemenea, Living Bomb imprastiat cu ajutorul Impactului ar trebui sa afecteze doar cele mai apropiate 2 targeturi (adica maxim 3, 2+main target).




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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 00:54:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu prea cred ca e asa, nu are sens. Uite-te ca ignite da jumatate dupa.

Fa niste teste mai concludente


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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 01:02:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Asa se intampla ... si in primul print in arena si in aceasta de mai sus care e recent, am primit 14k ignite si aproape 17k combustion pe 4600+ resil, iar doturile au fost puse pe mine cu impact ... anyway o sa mai incerc sa vad daca se gasesc alte chestii ce influenteaza... poate e cineva on sa ma ajute.




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Nici 40k pyro din hot streak nu e normal sa dea; ca sa dai 40.200 cat ti-a dat el pe 44% damage reduction ar fi trebuit sa aiba vreo 16500 SP cu trinkete si procuri.

Normal ca daca primesti asemenea damage iti pune si ignite mare si implicit si combustion.

Uite damage de mag fire care daca nu ma insel are S11 elite pe el deci implicit si arma: youtube link la 3:05 incepe. Cu tinketul cu use activat 28k crit instant Pyro, 11-12k crit combustion, 5k ignite...

Also in al 2-lea print din primul post vad ceva ciudat la living bomb: 2217 non crit inainte de a activa SI, apoi 1108 damage ceea ce e ok; dar daca te uiti la crit nu prea ii scade damage de la SI.


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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 12:29:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

40k pyros thats something new


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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 12:46:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mr.Faith wrote:
Also in al 2-lea print din primul post vad ceva ciudat la living bomb: 2217 non crit inainte de a activa SI, apoi 1108 damage ceea ce e ok; dar daca te uiti la crit nu prea ii scade damage de la SI.


Aici e chestia in primu print combustion da acelasi dmg, in al 2 living bomb , insa mereu doturile au fost puse pe mine cu impact (initial se dadea dmg pe dk/hunter nu pe mine). Trebuie sa caut pe cineva astazi pe seara sa testez amanuntit.

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Nici 40k pyro din hot streak nu e normal sa dea; ca sa dai 40.200 cat ti-a dat el pe 44% damage reduction ar fi trebuit sa aiba vreo 16500 SP cu trinkete si procuri.


Din 40k nu m-a scos, am murit fix in 3 secunde, 3 pyro si ticks de ignite/combustion dead.

Asta a fost combat logul:



Fix 3 globale = dead si e mage full pvp.

LE uite si aici 4400 resil... la fel dadea dmg pe priest a pus dots pe mine cu impact si era sa mor eu din ele. :




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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 12:57:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd wrote:
Mr.Faith wrote:
Also in al 2-lea print din primul post vad ceva ciudat la living bomb: 2217 non crit inainte de a activa SI, apoi 1108 damage ceea ce e ok; dar daca te uiti la crit nu prea ii scade damage de la SI.


Aici e chestia in primu print combustion da acelasi dmg, in al 2 living bomb , insa mereu doturile au fost puse pe mine cu impact (initial se dadea dmg pe dk/hunter nu pe mine). Trebuie sa caut pe cineva astazi pe seara sa testez amanuntit.

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Nici 40k pyro din hot streak nu e normal sa dea; ca sa dai 40.200 cat ti-a dat el pe 44% damage reduction ar fi trebuit sa aiba vreo 16500 SP cu trinkete si procuri.


Din 40k nu m-a scos, am murit fix in 3 globale, 3 pyro si ticks de ignite/combustion dead.

Asta a fost combat logul:



Fix 3 globale = dead si e mage full pvp.

LE uite si aici 4400 resil... la fel dadea dmg pe priest a pus dots pe mine cu impact si era sa mor eu din ele. :

Sigur magul nu avea 2 trinkete activate + power torrentcand a dat critul cu pyro,mi se pare imposibil sa dai 40k pe 4.5k ressi,cel putin eu nu am reusit sa dau niciodata

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Post Posted: 10-05-2013, 13:01:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://www.wow-freakz.com/armory/character-sheet.xml?r=Genesis&&cn=Prunela
Nu are 2 trinkete cu use, as fi observat oricum daca dadea 2 same time + am verificat si armory , nici macar nu a cumparat ruthless trinket.




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Post Posted: 11-05-2013, 12:29:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

incearca un test cu talente in shatter de pe frost + cone of cold... si incepe rotatia cu cone of cold -> scorch -> fire blast... daca nu s'a procuit inca pyro instant mai da'i cu scorch si cu fire blast dar in general se procuie... sa ai living bomb si sa dai frost nova dupa care pyro instant (care va fi crit datorita talentului) si apoi combustion imediat si vezi rezultatele... depinde si de stilul de joc, eu nu am cum sa testez asta in momentul de fata, dar vezi ce iese...

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uita'te la sarotti ca are power torrent + trinket + kings + flask de alchemist si nu ai facut ss in momentul cand a pus prima data combustion ca sa vezi ce mai avea procuit... sa nu mai zic ca are si tailoring + trinket de la yor'sahj cu haste si daca era procuit asta inseamna tick'uri in + la living bomb si combustion...

daca chiar vrei sa arati ca ai dreptate, ca
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Doturile imprastiate cu impact ignora dmg reduction effects (poate chiar resil)
tot ce poti face e sa ai un mage, si sa filmezi, sa arati ca intr'adevar doturile pe care le imprasti dau mai mult, si unde o poti face cel mai bine daca nu in sw unde sunt mai multe dummy'uri chiar cu resil (ce te intereseaza pe tine)... cat timp am jucat eu pve si chiar si la yor'sahj de cand s'a facut fixul cu resistance la bossi, mobii pe care ii scoate la black ooze nu si'au luat mai mult ca target'ul initial adica boss'ul... pana nu vi cu un video, nu cred ca poti demonstra un astfel de mecanism pe mai multe target'uri doar cu niste ss'uri...


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Post Posted: 11-06-2013, 10:12:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bai mie unu nu mi se pare nimic in neregula din moment ce eu unu imi iau 40k de la blood dk fara vengeance stak-at non-crit
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bai mie unu nu mi se pare nimic in neregula din moment ce eu unu imi iau 40k de la blood dk fara vengeance stak-at non-crit


eu zic ca trebuie cat mai rapid sa repare blood dk, altfel ne luam one shot in combustion.

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Si eu zic ca topicul asta deja miroase a kkt.

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lokooo wrote:
bai mie unu nu mi se pare nimic in neregula din moment ce eu unu imi iau 40k de la blood dk fara vengeance stak-at non-crit


40k non crit?
Sau 40k cu dancing rune weapon?
blood dk poate da 40k crit si mai mult.





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Post Posted: 13-06-2013, 04:35:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am si eu o intrebare in legatura cu impact daca se poate.

Are un internal cooldown si daca da cat. A doua intrebare Impactul nu respecta DR's nu intra in categorie? Pentru ca in mod normal stiu ca e odata de 2 secunde a doua daca se intampla in decurs de sub 15 secunde ca atata e DR-ul , a doua oara 1 secunda si a treia oara in mod normal totusi ar trebuii deja sa fii immune daca nu ma insel.De ce intreb asta..pentru ca am avut experiente in arene in care magul aproape ca mi-a facut stun lock de impacturi cu durata de 1 secunda.

And yea ...poate exagerez unpic, corecteazama daca gresesc si lamureste-ma si pe mine cu chestia asta minora -.



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GhiciCine wrote:
Am si eu o intrebare in legatura cu impact daca se poate.

Are un internal cooldown si daca da cat. A doua intrebare Impactul nu respecta DR's nu intra in categorie? Pentru ca in mod normal stiu ca e odata de 2 secunde a doua daca se intampla in decurs de sub 15 secunde ca atata e DR-ul , a doua oara 1 secunda si a treia oara in mod normal totusi ar trebuii deja sa fii immune daca nu ma insel.De ce intreb asta..pentru ca am avut experiente in arene in care magul aproape ca mi-a facut stun lock de impacturi cu durata de 1 secunda.

And yea ...poate exagerez unpic, corecteazama daca gresesc si lamureste-ma si pe mine cu chestia asta minora -.


Nu a avut niciodata icd impact si nici nu trebuie, este flat 10% chance de proc pe spell hit. Ba da are DR in pvp cum sa nu aibe, si se comporta exact cum ai zis 2 sec, 1 sec, imun, poti testa si singur daca faci rost de un mag.

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