REMOVAL of SHARED RINGS from WARMASTER or ULTRAXION loot table

[Powerman]

As the topic name states, this is a suggestion to remove the shared ring items (seal of primordial shadow, infinite loop, signet of suturing, breathstealer band, hardheart ring) - from the loot tables of Warmaster Blackhorn only, or both Warmaster and Ultraxion.

We've killed Warmaster thrice on heroic so far- and on every attempt we've gotten at least one shared ring, in one case, we even had a shared ring of the NORMAL version.

Basically, what I am saying is these items serve NO PURPOSE to players/guilds who are reaching these bosses.

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I know there was a suggestion regarding this months ago, and I know the answer was "No because that's NOT Blizzlike"

My counter-argument is that "Releasing one boss every 3-5 months is NOT Blizzlike either".

I DO NOT MEAN ANY DISRESPECT to the staff- because I do appreciate your effort and you guys are doing the best you can.


What I simply mean is that, consider the time frame, by the time a new boss is released (months apart), majority of people would already have gotten these useless shared rings from Morchok, Yorsahj, Zonzozz and Hagara.

It negates their value to anyone playing once reaching the latest two bosses.

Again, I know the server aims to be Blizzlike - but Blizzard's gap on releasing bosses was zero, or took only days or weeks apart, not months.
These shared rings actually had value in that scenario because people would be looting them as they progress through the raid.
They were not essentially:
Farm one boss ----> 2 months later ----> farm new boss -----> 4 months later ----> farm new boss.


That's all.

[Zohlomg]

The normal ring was a bug and it is now fixed. You will no longer see normal loot (it was only that ring actually, instead of the 410 Infinite Loop, so you didn't lose much).

[Powerman]

Zohlomg wrote:

The normal ring was a bug and it is now fixed. You will no longer see normal loot (it was only that ring actually, instead of the 410 Infinite Loop, so you didn't lose much).

Well, like said Zohl - it's not precisely the ilvl or mode of the item - it's the actual items (the shared rings) that need to be removed from the loot table (especially heroic versions) of Warmaster, or Warmaster + Ultraxion.

The shared rings have no use for any players or guilds doing this content - at this time and place.


Like I mentioned - I know you guys aim for being "Blizz-Like" - but the gap between the release of bosses was too big (months in between).

That meant that all five shared rings have dropped far too often, far too much, due to these delays - that virtually no one clearing Ultrax or Warmaster would have any need of them.

[Macedo931]

Zohlomg wrote:

The normal ring was a bug and it is now fixed. You will no longer see normal loot (it was only that ring actually, instead of the 410 Infinite Loop, so you didn't lose much).

I like to call it Infinite Loot, because of the much-too-often drop. I see absolutely no reason why Powerman's suggestion shouldn't be realized and he mentioned all the important arguments why it SHOULD (All players who get to kill him or even Ultraxion on heroic already have the rings on their 4th spec of Alt's 3rd alt).

[cranio]

shut up chilly i havent made my collection of 100 infinite loops yet

[Hawtydaboss]

Would be amazing if you lower the drop chance actually or just remove it from last 3 bosses due to dropping from almost every single boss in Dragon Soul.Yesterday did a DS 10 normal , infinite loop dropped 4 times and Primordial Shadow dropped 2 times ,Wth is that ? I'm expecting some good items to drop especially since there are some new bosses and the *** (sorry) ring sometimes even replaces a T13 token.. Cmon.. || That's really getting annoying.

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[Mofuu]

Lowering the drop chance of those rings lowers the chance someone will donate /thread

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[Zohlomg]

Mofuu wrote:

Lowering the drop chance of those rings lowers the chance someone will donate /thread

Inserting almost all the trinkets / weapons & 4p bonus from ingame at defeatable bosses ingame also drastically lowered the chance someone will donate. /thread about that.

[Mofuu]

Not when the Tier Tokens don't drop as they should - boss that has a token should always drop one.

inb4: "But you can do all 4 lockout types in one week, that should compensate it" - no, no it shouldn't. People that can do HC don't really care about doing normals anymore. Not that anyone can do all 4 since 25 man is not possible due to lag. So at the end of the day you got 10n and 10h witch is in turn equal to what players had on retail in LFR and one more difficulty they chose to do that week - with normal loot distribution and a higher chance to actually get something they need and not an other ring to DE. /thread?

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[Zohlomg]

Being able to fully-gear your character in two weeks really spoils all the fun of wow-raiding.

You must understand certain things, like the fact that I am not getting a single $ from the donations and I am the one deciding how loot is distributed. I am not doing it for donations ups/downs. I am doing it because I consider you would gear yourself way too fast if the rings would be distributed the same way trinkets are (on a separate loot table). This would be one more item at every boss in 25, around 0.6 more items per boss in 10. That's around 33% faster gearing.

The gearing process would be so fast, you would actually get - practically - bored 33% faster in this game.

Once your entire guild has full gear, what's the point in raiding? Just for fun? Raiding the same bosses you have raided for around 2 years?

Raiding is all about defeating that big scary boss and while approaching him you whisper yourself "OMG I HOPE THAT *** HEAD FINALLY DROPPED".

When it didn't, you get to complain about how many weeks you have farmed in a row and it didn't drop.
When it does, you get to be really happy of getting a new item.

/thread.

[Incarnate]

Yeah, as shity as it sounds that's reality.

[Hawtydaboss]

Zohlomg wrote:

Being able to fully-gear your character in two weeks really spoils all the fun of wow-raiding. You must understand certain things, like the fact that I am not getting a single $ from the donations and I am the one deciding how loot is distributed. I am not doing it for donations ups/downs. I am doing it because I consider you would gear yourself way too fast if the rings would be distributed the same way trinkets are (on a separate loot table). This would be one more item at every boss in 25, around 0.6 more items per boss in 10. That's around 33% faster gearing. The gearing process would be so fast, you would actually get - practically - bored 33% faster in this game. Once your entire guild has full gear, what's the point in raiding? Just for fun? Raiding the same bosses you have raided for around 2 years? Raiding is all about defeating that big scary boss and while approaching him you whisper yourself "OMG I HOPE THAT *** HEAD FINALLY DROPPED". When it didn't, you get to complain about how many weeks you have farmed in a row and it didn't drop. When it does, you get to be really happy of getting a new item. /thread.

Totally agree with that and Mofu's post was actually retarded since noone would ever donate for a ring,if someone would ever decide to donate for PvE gear it will be for some main piece or even maybe off piece,but never for a ring...

So i would recommend to just remove the ring drop from last 3 or 2 min. bosses,would be the best choice ever or perhaps editing the loot and adding the ring/s from ultraxion and Warmaster(not sure if the boss drops any different than the rest of the rings that drops from first bosses) to other bosses ,so there will be a chance of dropping different ring than Infinite loop... or Surturing .. Primordial :v

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[Mofuu]

"since noone would ever donate for a ring" was exactly what i said - if they fixed the token drops on bosses noone would donate for them.
But ok call me retarded, i noticed that your a kissass most of the time so i don't really care. In fact i don't really care about the loot anymore here either. I have called it quits on Freakz anyway, so good luck to you all, specially Cranio, i hope you get that 100 Infinite Loops achievement, hope you post a image off it.

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[Hawtydaboss]

Mofuu wrote:

"since noone would ever donate for a ring" was exactly what i said - if they fixed the token drops on bosses noone would donate for them. But ok call me retarded, i noticed that your a kissass most of the time so i don't really care. In fact i don't really care about the loot anymore here either. I have called it quits on Freakz anyway, so good luck to you all, specially Cranio, i hope you get that 100 Infinite Loops achievement, hope you post a image off it.

xD You can even ask Zohl how much i'm hating @his posts and total of 100 times i only agreed with him 2 times I'll never be an *** kisser and most of the time i post something in the forum,i'm just sharing my opinion and what i see,so calling me *** kisser just because i said your post was retarded and i agreed with a GM that won't help me at all i just gave my opinion ,literally expect nothing from Zohl when i just agree with him lol,if that's asskisser then you might be wrong with the meaning of the word.

Edit: Anddd yeah actually as i remember in retail,if a certain boss have a token drop from it,atleast 1 token MUST drop,and i've actually seen how a boss that drops a token in freakz doesn't drop one at all... guess what dropped? Infinite loop + some random item.GJ.

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[cranio]

Mofuu wrote:

"since noone would ever donate for a ring" was exactly what i said - if they fixed the token drops on bosses noone would donate for them. But ok call me retarded, i noticed that your a kissass most of the time so i don't really care. In fact i don't really care about the loot anymore here either. I have called it quits on Freakz anyway, so good luck to you all, specially Cranio, i hope you get that 100 Infinite Loops achievement, hope you post a image off it.

it was a joke. im having a break in wow for 3 months

Posturi unite automat, 19-05-2014, 23:28:31

If you ask me they should implement retail drop chances and retail raid cds, 1 raid per week instead of 4