[Raid] The Nighthold: Gul'dan

[CocoDev]

tudor1297 wrote:

1. The eyes/empowered eyes should only target range dps. Right now they target melee dps as well, those melee have to spread and so they can't dps the eyes. This is making the fight quite hard, especially for smaller groups.

If you can bring me the proof that this still happens on freakz then i'll fix it.

[Ozzydany]

CocoDev wrote:

tudor1297 wrote: 1. The eyes/empowered eyes should only target range dps. Right now they target melee dps as well, those melee have to spread and so they can't dps the eyes. This is making the fight quite hard, especially for smaller groups. If you can bring me the proof that this still happens on freakz then i'll fix it.

https://imgur.com/a/5Zw0A
2 healers and 2 rogues

[CocoDev]

Ozzydany wrote:

CocoDev wrote: tudor1297 wrote: 1. The eyes/empowered eyes should only target range dps. Right now they target melee dps as well, those melee have to spread and so they can't dps the eyes. This is making the fight quite hard, especially for smaller groups. If you can bring me the proof that this still happens on freakz then i'll fix it. https://imgur.com/a/5Zw0A 2 healers and 2 rogues

I meant the empowered eyes.

Edit: eye of gul'dan will target only ranged dps from now on.

Update @ 11-04-2018, 12:32:27

dbondn123 wrote:

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=106545/empowered-eye-of-guldan scalling is wrong, in our 13-man heroic raid he had 54 million HP. On this video you can see that he has 41.24 million HP on 17-man raid Spoiler: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bU3EAvKDRQ:

Cryve wrote:

dbondn123 wrote: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=106545/empowered-eye-of-guldan scalling is wrong, in our 13-man heroic raid he had 54 million HP. On this video you can see that he has 41.24 million HP on 17-man raid Spoiler: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bU3EAvKDRQ: Can u figgure out if this is a general problem with adds scalling or is just related to this mobs ? i think some adds from boss encounters doesn`t scale correctly even after recent fixes;

We're looking into it.

[Ozzydany]

thx for fixing the empowered eye of gul'dan cast on melee but now melee's can't attack the eye, I was spamming abilities but I wasn't able to attack the eye, only with auto-attacks.
https://imgur.com/a/rlz8c

[CocoDev]

Ozzydany wrote:

thx for fixing the empowered eye of gul'dan cast on melee but now melee's can't attack the eye, I was spamming abilities but I wasn't able to attack the eye, only with auto-attacks. https://imgur.com/a/rlz8c

Did this happened only to you?

[Ozzydany]

CocoDev wrote:

Ozzydany wrote: thx for fixing the empowered eye of gul'dan cast on melee but now melee's can't attack the eye, I was spamming abilities but I wasn't able to attack the eye, only with auto-attacks. https://imgur.com/a/rlz8c Did this happened only to you?

I asked the raid and some players said that the eye was like in loss for them, I can't confirm that all melee's had that problem, but the process of killing the eye was slower than normal, and I think just range dps killed the eye.

[Flamestalker]

Starting from tonight please tell on which difficulty you found your bug so it will be easier for us to track them

Mythic- bug
Heroic- bug

[dbondn123]

(Normal/Heroic) Timers for Empowered Eye of gul'dan on phase 3 are not fixed, he still summons empowered eye of Gul'dan 5 seconds before https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=161121 (wowhead link) first cast.

Update @ 13-04-2018, 23:07:22

Normal/Heroic
Soul Corrosion damage is too much, table with correct damage https://forum.wow-freakz.com/imgresize -- https://i.imgur.com/LjUqWVk.png

[Ozzydany]

mythic - hitbox of gul'dan is to small, melee's try to hard to don't one shot the tank
also i think the pushback is a bit stronger then normal (at pull)

[Elvenking]

Mythic bug:

Liquid Hellfire is completely bugged (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=209191 (wowhead link)).
First it should only be empowered at 70% health and not after 3 casts.
Second it should never ever target a healer, especially not paladins. You can't use paladins for this fight because they can't stay near the boss to properly heal the raid.
Only if the raid does not consist of any ranged dps or they are dead it targets healer!
You can find proof for this in any kill video and the guide on wowhead (http://www.wowhead.com/guldan-nighthold-raid-strategy-guide#mythic-difficulty).
And pls don't say you can't trust the guide, its been read by thousands of people and they would have edited any error by now.

Update: Another proof for only targeting range dps can be found here

Spoiler:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dFgTGGWIILo&t=210:

At 3:30 he says the following sentence:

fatboss wrote:

...You also still have your Liquid Hellfires and one really important thing to know about these, is that they only target range DPS and you need to use this to your advantage...

Another serious bug is the absorb value of Scattering Field (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=206985 (wowhead link)). This shield should absorb 30 million dmg, on freakz it is like 3-4m and completely useless.
In order to play the mythic script correct we need this shield to work properly.

[Visan15]

Mythic bug :

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210339 (wowhead link) have a big CD https://postimg.cc/image/cc6dxfn6l/ , i think same for heal and tank .

[CocoDev]

Elvenking wrote:

Mythic bug: Liquid Hellfire is completely bugged (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=209191 (wowhead link)). First it should only be empowered at 70% health and not after 3 casts. Second it should never ever target a healer, especially not paladins. You can't use paladins for this fight because they can't stay near the boss to properly heal the raid. Only if the raid does not consist of any ranged dps or they are dead it targets healer! You can find proof for this in any kill video and the guide on wowhead (http://www.wowhead.com/guldan-nighthold-raid-strategy-guide#mythic-difficulty). And pls don't say you can't trust the guide, its been read by thousands of people and they would have edited any error by now. Update: Another proof for only targeting range dps can be found here Spoiler: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dFgTGGWIILo&t=210: At 3:30 he says the following sentence: fatboss wrote: ...You also still have your Liquid Hellfires and one really important thing to know about these, is that they only target range DPS and you need to use this to your advantage... Another serious bug is the absorb value of Scattering Field (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=206985 (wowhead link)). This shield should absorb 30 million dmg, on freakz it is like 3-4m and completely useless. In order to play the mythic script correct we need this shield to work properly.

Liquid hellfire is empowered after 3 casts you can watch any youtube video you might want, second the wowhead guide is outdated. Each guide that they did in there was never updated, as they said they would.

Update @ 14-04-2018, 01:46:04

Visan15 wrote:

Mythic bug : https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210339 (wowhead link) have a big CD https://postimg.cc/image/cc6dxfn6l/ , i think same for heal and tank .

Because on mythic you can only use it once.

[Elvenking]

CocoDev wrote:

Liquid hellfire is empowered after 3 casts you can watch any youtube video you might want, second the wowhead guide is outdated. Each guide that they did in there was never updated, as they said they would.

Yeah after watching the fatboss video again i noticed too that he had like 85% at the first empowered, sorry for this wrong report there.
Nevertheless the bigger issue is that regarding healers being targeted.
It's mentioned in many places, for example here too https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2190326-Gul-dan-liquid-hellfire-random

[CocoDev]

Ozzydany wrote:

mythic - hitbox of gul'dan is to small, melee's try to hard to don't one shot the tank also i think the pushback is a bit stronger then normal (at pull)

Elvenking wrote:

CocoDev wrote: Liquid hellfire is empowered after 3 casts you can watch any youtube video you might want, second the wowhead guide is outdated. Each guide that they did in there was never updated, as they said they would. Yeah after watching the fatboss video again i noticed too that he had like 85% at the first empowered, sorry for this wrong report there. Nevertheless the bigger issue is that regarding healers being targeted. It's mentioned in many places, for example here too https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2190326-Gul-dan-liquid-hellfire-random

Visan15 wrote:

Mythic bug : https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210339 (wowhead link) have a big CD https://postimg.cc/image/cc6dxfn6l/ , i think same for heal and tank .

Fixed

[DoesMyNameMatter]

Ozzydany wrote:

thx for fixing the empowered eye of gul'dan cast on melee but now melee's can't attack the eye, I was spamming abilities but I wasn't able to attack the eye, only with auto-attacks. https://imgur.com/a/rlz8c

I can also confirm this . I was unable to use any attacks on the eye , besides auto attacks , during our hc kill today .

Fel Efflux does very little dmg . I was standing in it to DPS the mobs he spawns during p1 and i was geting 40k ticks . http://prntscr.com/j50iyj As i mentioned , i was standing in it for quite alot of time and hardly got any dmg for it .

The winds he does when he transitions to the last phase are extremly tame compared to what they should be . The pushback you get is insignificant and you can outrun it without ever getting pushed back at all .

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TR-SqHT_qhY:

( skip to min 6:00 ) - Here's a retail video on how winds are there , you can see ppl actually getting pushed back and using things like leaps and rolls and stuff , you don't need to anything of sorts on freakz .

Fel Scythe mechanic doesn't fully work . Even though players going over the tank will reset his energy and get the attack speed , the Cleave part is absent however . * Edited as mentioned by Geknnt *

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XQfCgKacYP4:

( Skip to min 5:15 ) - Here's an example of how cleave should look .

Time Dillation has major issuse . The spell , atleast for me , a demon hunter , doesn't do anything . It flat out makes my dps worse because of a bug which i reported here : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Demon-Hunter-Metamorphosis-Delusions-of-Grandeur-vs-Time-Dillation-t519020.html so i end up not even using it . Even if i wanted to use it , there are many pulls in which i don't even have the extra action button . The spell doesn't reduce cds on spells , doesn't reduce global cds , i can't even see the haste diffrence being made by it .

The knockback effect you get from the bubble gul'dan shields himself in at the start still knocksback our raid , despite the fact that the bug is listed as being fixed . I think this happens when players are inside his bubble when he spawns it , although i'm not sure.

Although a very minor bug , Flame of Sargeras has the wrong visual . Currently on freakz the flame patch on the ground is burning and stuff and while it's just a visual bug , it is a tiny bit annoying .

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XQfCgKacYP4:

- Here's how it should look ( skip to min 9:52 )

> THIS IS ALL ON HEROIC <