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Post Posted: 19-11-2011, 20:18:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu stiu sa fac calcule gen mai sus , dar DrDamage calculeaza automat cat dai , in poza de mai sus setasem AVERAGE HIT adica o medie a 10 atacuri cu backstab ar fi fost 934 . Daca te uiti si la recount o sa vezi ca dmg*ul de la backstab se incadreaza undeva pe la 934 ^^ . In poza eram dezbracat doar cu 1 dagger de la vendor si fara talente .

Am mai dat cateva backstab si cand aveam talentele + gearu pe mine si intradevar are dreptate ala care a zis mai sus variaza foarte mult fara nici un motiv .

In poza de mai jos se vede clar ce diferenta este la dmg fara nici un fel de proc , bleed sau ce mai visati pe acolo .. Pur si simplu se intampla sa dai 8k dmg dar si 10k imediat dupa .


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Post Posted: 19-11-2011, 20:43:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Whysomad deschid streamul cand vrei, si iti arat cam cum variaza damage-ul. Intelegiti ca e foarte imprevizibl, si in special la crituri.



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Post Posted: 19-11-2011, 20:46:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Whysomad deschid streamul cand vrei, si iti arat cam cum variaza damage-ul. Intelegiti ca e foarte imprevizibl, si in special la crituri.


Am priceput ca variaza, dar variaza peste limita care trebuie. Asta nu e o explicatie. Ar trebuii sa varieze intre anumite limite, minim wep dmg + talente / alti multiplicatori si maxim wep dmg + talente / alti multiplicatori.

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 00:33:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ultimul post din http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/183989-rogue-re-rogue-backstab-damage-on-ptr/
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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 01:05:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Thanks - A lot better.

Edit: Tested in what order things were applied and did the math. Base Backstab * Sinister Calling * Opportunity seems to be the correct calculation.

Base: 200%
Live Sinister Calling: +25%
PTR Sinister Calling: +40%
Opportunity: +30%

Live:
200% * 125% = 250%
250% * 130% = 325%

PTR:
200% * 140% = 280
280% * 130% = 364%

So basically a 12% increase. Quite decent.

Multumim de post - Ti-am zis honour ca nu intelegi cum se calculeaza sinister calling...

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 01:09:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Se vede ca maximul de critical in doctor damage e de 19000. eu prind mai mult de 21k, niciodata 16k care e minimul.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0QOKsnSTHtQ:



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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 01:12:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deadlybugaddictbrew wrote:
Ti-am zis honour ca nu intelegi cum se calculeaza sinister calling...


Adica cum se calculeaza? Sunteti in stare sa imi calculeze si mie unu? unu singur? sa vad si eu cum ajungeti voi la 10600+ cu stats din prints? De ce la restul abilitatilor care le-am calculat gen ambush, calculele au dat bine, iar la backstab nu?
Imi place de voi ca decat din gura dati, insa unu nu e in stare sa arate concret ce am gresit si veniti cu citate gen "esti prost ba, merge bine" .

Dar asa este... de aia nu se merita sa iti postezi bugurile pozitive de la clasa ta, pentru ca atunci cand faci un bug report la un spell de la alta clasa, toti o sa isi apere orbeste clasa, fara un calcul ,fara nimic, toata lumea isi da cu parerea.

http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/184040-backstab-numbers-ptr-vs-live/

Live Backstab without Find Weakness up:

Hit - Sample size 150 Backstabs:

Hit minimum: 5110
Hit Average: 5526
Hit Max: 5861

Live Backstab with Find Weakness up (No MoS);

Hit - Sample size 150 Backstabs:

Hit Minimum: 6022
Hit Average: 6502
Hit Max: 7149

Stats of the characters:

4931 Agility
10123 AP
359 weapon.

Tu dc dai 10600 iar baiatu asta da 7k?
PS: A fost ultimu bug report facut de mine, nu are rost sa ma enervez si sa pierd vremea pe forum, sa ma mai si cert cu lumea aiurea... Numai bine -

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 09:08:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci pana acum nu am vazut ps din partea rogilor care isi apara clasa , doar niste calcule, despre care nimeni nu stie daca sunt corecte sau nu ...

Asa ca , uitati-va aici : https://youtube.com/watch?v=AYyg-xg4hFo:



- 1:21 => normal hit de 8100 , cu full buffe + berseking , pe un druid full pvp
- 6:47 => crit de 11600 (nu de 26k) , cu full buf + trinket , pe un rogue full pvp

Sper ca acest clip este de ajuns pt a demonstra bug-ul ...

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 11:52:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Orionc wrote:
trist bugu...ma si gandeam dece muream instant vs rogi

Din cate observ, legumele au invatat sa posteze pe forum.
Din toata gama de clase din cata, se pare ca mori instant doar vs "rogi".
you are the 99% *** *** idiot

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 13:00:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Let's make some calculationz should we?

Formula backstab cu talentele de increase dmg de pe subtlety:
200% * 140% = 280%
280% * 130% = 364%


Formula ingame la backstab este 364% wep damage + 1634 ( in cazul meu ).

364 / 100 * 2680 + 1634 = 9755.2 + 1634 = ~11389.2 Max backstab normal damage.
364 / 100 * 2180 + 1634 = 7935.2 + 1634 = ~9569.2 Min backstab normal damage.


Deci pentru critical strike = min / max damage * 230% din cauza la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=14135 (wowhead link)
So:

230% * ~11389.2 = ~26194.7 Max backstab critical damage.
230% * ~9569.2 = ~22009.16 Min backstab critical damage.


Stats:


Backstab tooltip:

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Post Posted: 20-11-2011, 19:37:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deadly, you can't argue with an idiot. He will always win.

ps; ce addon pentru name plates ?=)




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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 08:42:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deadlybugaddictbrew wrote:
Let's make some calculationz should we?

Formula backstab cu talentele de increase dmg de pe subtlety:
200% * 140% = 280%
280% * 130% = 364%


Formula ingame la backstab este 364% wep damage + 1634 ( in cazul meu ).

364 / 100 * 2680 + 1634 = 9755.2 + 1634 = ~11389.2 Max backstab normal damage.
364 / 100 * 2180 + 1634 = 7935.2 + 1634 = ~9569.2 Min backstab normal damage.


Deci pentru critical strike = min / max damage * 230% din cauza la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=14135 (wowhead link)
So:

230% * ~11389.2 = ~26194.7 Max backstab critical damage.
230% * ~9569.2 = ~22009.16 Min backstab critical damage.


Stats:


Backstab tooltip:


Interesant ce zici tu acolo ! Dar probabil ca max backstab crit ala care l-ai calculat tu e pe 0 rezil (armor nu stiu) ! Ok , ok ... dar tot in acest topic e un print screen in care un druid feral ( probabil cat form ) isi ia un crit de 26686 backstab , de la un rogue cam de gear-ul tau ( http://armory.freakz.ro/character-sheet.xml?r=Evolution&&cn=Deezy ) , pe 3k rezil ! Te rog sa explici asta , daca tot asa o tii pe a ta , ca backstab-ul merge ok ! -

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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 09:38:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

suckyourself wrote:
Deadlybugaddictbrew wrote:
Let's make some calculationz should we?

Formula backstab cu talentele de increase dmg de pe subtlety:
200% * 140% = 280%
280% * 130% = 364%


Formula ingame la backstab este 364% wep damage + 1634 ( in cazul meu ).

364 / 100 * 2680 + 1634 = 9755.2 + 1634 = ~11389.2 Max backstab normal damage.
364 / 100 * 2180 + 1634 = 7935.2 + 1634 = ~9569.2 Min backstab normal damage.


Deci pentru critical strike = min / max damage * 230% din cauza la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=14135 (wowhead link)
So:

230% * ~11389.2 = ~26194.7 Max backstab critical damage.
230% * ~9569.2 = ~22009.16 Min backstab critical damage.


Stats:


Backstab tooltip:


Interesant ce zici tu acolo ! Dar probabil ca max backstab crit ala care l-ai calculat tu e pe 0 rezil (armor nu stiu) ! Ok , ok ... dar tot in acest topic e un print screen in care un druid feral ( probabil cat form ) isi ia un crit de 26686 backstab , de la un rogue cam de gear-ul tau ( http://armory.freakz.ro/character-sheet.xml?r=Evolution&&cn=Deezy ) , pe 3k rezil ! Te rog sa explici asta , daca tot asa o tii pe a ta , ca backstab-ul merge ok ! -


Daca ai luat 27k backstab pe 3k resil inseamna un singur lucru: Rogu nu era in burst.

OT: Nu stie nimeni ce bufs avea rogu pe el sau ce debufs avea druidu pe el in momentul ala.Ca ar putea avea xx bufe de la party members + activat un trinket pvp cu agi + o potiune tol'vir + proc de la unheeding si zici multumesc doamne ca mi-a dat numai 30k + faptul ca, critul e variabil din cauza talentului https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=14135

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Post Posted: 21-11-2011, 10:44:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci hai sa lamurim chestia asta .

Am pus un clip , mai sus , cu un rogue sub , pe blizz , pe 4.0.6 ! Si daca ai avut curiozitatea sa te uiti , ai fi vazut ca la un moment dat , in min 6:47 , cu full buffz + trinket cu agility activat , crit de 11k cu backstab , pe un rogue, full pvp ( iti dai seama usor , dupa ce iteme are pe el ) , care nu avea niciun cd de redus dmg pe el ! Asa ca nu ma lua pe mine cu faze de genu : "ca vai , avea buffu x si elixiru y" , pt ca alea nu fac diferenta asta f mare de dmg .

@Twinblade e jenant modul cum iti aperi clasa ! :-s

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