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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 10:33:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu mai inteleg hunterul cum da aim shoot in careful aim .
Dau aproape 48-49 max in careful aim cu aim shoot; nu depasesc 50 fara buff cu ilvl 362.

Pe youtube am gasit hunteri care in 4.0.6 dadeau si 60 cu aim(pe dummy). Pe dummy respectivii hunteri au 20k dps(ilvl 359) eu am 16k. Pe acelasi dummy nu mi se tick-uie piercing shoot(nu ar influenta foarte mult), dar mi se tikuie pe cel din stanga(ala care ii singur pe cutii), si nici pe dummy-ul ala nu depasesc 16-17k dps.

Am zis ca nu ma bazez pe dummy, ma duc sa vad daca dau 50k pe mobi; nu am depasit 50 cu aim shoot nici acolo.

Folosesc talentul http://www.wowhead.com/talent#cMhMZfMG0GRMuroc singura diferenta ca am pus 3 la one with the nature si 2 la bestial discipline.

Une ii problema? Nu ii calculat bine aim shoot, nu dau eu bine?

Tin sa mentionez ca la Argaloth(10n), Chimaeron(25h) dau 23-24k dps ceea ce ii aberant de putin(zic eu); sa nu mai zic ca la Maloriak(25h) dau max 13-16k si la Atramedes(25h) max 14-17k, Council 13-15k dps. La Maloriak, Atramedes ii evident de ce dau asa putin, dar la bosi unde stai pe loc si dai 23-24 mi se pare rusinos.

Filmuletele de pe youtube cu hunteri care dau 20k dps si aim de 60k(pe dummy in careful aim):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yfGVncSJ6WM:


https://youtube.com/watch?v=WpMPH74tLa0:



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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 12:13:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bun deci in primul rand nu nicio exagerare ca nu prinzi tu mai mult de 50k crit pe aimed shot in careful aim phase e normal sa dai asa.Dar acum depinde foarte mult de gearul care il folosesti/stat's (incluzand hit cap) si skillul.Eu personal sunt scarbit de acest spec dar din cate am jucat am vazut multe, problema in mare e de la tine.Un hunter la 359 ilvl a scos cu cate 3-4k peste tine la fiecare boss enumerat mai putin maloriak.Lasa-mi mai jos un post cu stat'surile tale in momentul de fata.

P.S. : DPS/DMG done pe dummy e = cu 0 intr-un encounter, deoarece acolo nu stii niciodata ce se poate intampla.


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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 12:58:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Asta ii char-ul: http://armory.freakz.ro/character-sheet.xml?r=Exodus&&cn=Antskiller Am hit 8.06, socketat full agility, echants best(zic eu), crit ~24%(cred...), mastery ~15%, haste plateau I atins.

Talentele sunt in primul post. Major glyphs: arcane(focus dump), steady, rapid fire.

Is constient ca dps-ul la ods, council, maloriak ar putea fi marit cu 2-3k daca is atent; la Maloriak dau rotatie de single target in black phase(mai ii loc de imbunatatiri). Ce mi se pare cel mai grav ii dps-ul la Argaloth si Chimerion unde nu prea ai cum sa faci greseli.

Dps-ul care ma astept sa i-l dau ar fi cu minim 5-7k in plus la fiecare bos(3-4k daca gresesc la bosi).

O sa incerc azi o proba la Argaloth sa vad cat dau si revin cu update la dps.

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 14:52:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Haste capul pt mm hunter e de 1610....am descoperit eu cu niste amici......am testat si la 1700 care era =1610........ce e peste e in plus..........si s-a modificat hunteru a fost reparat focusu ca era bugged inainte ca se regenera de 3-4 ori mai repede.......care nu ma crede ducetziva si uitativa pe blizz la focus




Vrei sa zici ca la toti bosi te astepti sa stai pe loc sa dai ca mitraliera? Gen antramedes sa te feresti de cercuri sau halfus cand te misti.....
glyphele la fel ....eu nici macar nu folosesc arcane shot.......chimera-kill shot- steady shot sunt prime glyphes.......nu inteleg cei cu 15% mastery....care e praf pt un hunter mm


app unde vezi tu aimed de 60 in videouri?.....dabia dau eu 50k si ceva....o sa revin cu un screenshot la dps si dmg.......

Uite si pozele

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 16:02:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ma astept sa dau ca nebunu ca ii clasa de dps; nu?
Ma astept sa dau 28k-30k la bosii care iti permit sa fumezi intre 2 taste; dar la bosii unde nu prea stai pe loc m-as astepta sa dau de la 20k in sus; nu 14-17k.

Sub 80% viata folosesc arcane pentru focus dump si de aceea am si pus glyph-ul de arcane. Daca dadea increase damage cel de la aim puneam pe ala si foloseam mai des aim-ul sub 80%.

Am facut reforge in urm ordine: hit 8%, 1235 haste, reforge haste/mastery to crit. Ce a ramas a fost mastery(cred ca 15% din cate retin).

In primul video la sfarsit da click pe recount. Cel mai mare aim a fost de 60k.

A mai zis cineva ca joaca cu hunterul la haste(BIS); o sa incerc sa vad daca ii o imbunatatire. Cum faceti reforge cand jucati la haste: mastery->haste, crit->haste(se ia din crit pana la haste cap)?

Posturi unite automat, 24-08-2012, 17:02:54

Mersi de screens. Incearca sa dai pe un heroic training dummy sa vezi daca tot 20 scoti. In durotar dadeam peste 16k la lvl 358-359 fara iteme heroice, acum nu stiu cat dau pe alea. Ieri am testat dps-ul pe acelasi dummy care ii si in al 2-lea video.

Update:

Aveam 13.5% mastery. Am facut reforge din mastery in haste si am ramas cu 12% mastery.

Stats:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/wowscrnshot082412193607.jpg/
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Am facut si poze cu dps de la dummy si char.

Orgrimmar - heroic training dummy - 16k dps.
Nu stiu din ce motiv piercing shoots(18% din dps) nu merge e dummy-ul asta.
Pe dummy-ul asta in 4.0.6 hunter-ul din filmul #2 a dat 20k dps cu gear 351.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/wowscrnshot082412191817.jpg/
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Orgrimmar - training dummy - 17.7k dps.
Direfernta dintre heroic dummy si asta cred ca ii data de piercing shoots.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/wowscrnshot082412192247.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/wowscrnshot082412192312.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/wowscrnshot082412192317.jpg/

Durotar - 19k dps

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/wowscrnshot082412192726.jpg/
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Concluzia mea ii ca nici pe cel mai nasparlit dummy nu fac dps cat facea unu pe un dummy in 4.0.6 cu 351 ilvl. Presupunand la absurd ca ii acelasi dummy si nu are bug-uri inseamna ca hunterul da cu cel putin 4k dps mai putin decat ar trebui sa dea.

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 19:12:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tu ai 351 ilvl.......eu 364......oare care o fi diferentza.....hmm sa ma gandesc? tu dai si in dummyurile alea pvp in care unele dintre ele sunt immune la bleeds...revin cu niste poze pe dummy heroic........

nu te mai lua frate dupa rotatiile scrise in ghiduri in ,,pana mea'' ca acu mi-am dat seama ca ai rotatia praf.........la inceput dai mark+serpent+toate cds cu pots tol vir+2 aimed urmat de steady sa faci full focus apoi iar 2 aimed--------apoi iar readines si iar burst................dupa pui simplu serpent+chimera+aimed+ 3/4 steady-aimed-chimera si tot asa sa potzi da refresh chimera dar sa si dai aimed shotu.........nu te mai lua dupa kkturile alea de careful phase sau kill phase sau cine stie cm se numesc.......


Poze Advance Training dummy

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Poze Heroic Training dummy.......nu merg bleeds pe el si din cate am inteles are reduce dmg.....

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/wowscrnshot082412084709.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/wowscrnshot082412084724.jpg/

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 20:16:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am 362 ilvl, ala din al 2-lea video are 351. Nu am folosit potiuni pe dummy ca nici cei din video nu au folosit.

Am facut aceeasi rotatie ca si cei din video: 2 steady - aim... Am vrut sa vad cat dau eu(is special aim shoot) fata de ei pe aceeasi versiune de joc.

La rotatia 2 steady + 1 aim cum ii in video, adica careful aim(cum scrie si in topic) SS de 15s nu te ajuta.

Daca te uiti in video rotatia ii de careful aim. Eu compar cat au dat aia in careful aim fata de cat dau eu in careful aim sa vad cat se dadea pe blizzard in 4.0.6 si cat se da aici. Sa imi pot da seama daca hunterul ii mai praf decat ar trebui sa fie.

Ce mi se pare absurd ii ca eu dau 16-17k pe dummy cu aceeasi rotatie si gear superior(362, 5 iteme hc + dragonheart piercer hc).

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 22:04:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

BH 25n -> 22k dps wtf... atat dadeam la 355 ilvl

Rotatie:
Careful aim: improved steady + aim
Normal phase: SS + improved steady + chimera + aim

Am bagat si 2 tol'vir: una inainte a 2-a la al 2-lea rapid fire + food + flask.

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Post Posted: 24-08-2012, 23:38:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Antz wrote:
BH 25n -> 22k dps wtf... atat dadeam la 355 ilvl

Rotatie:
Careful aim: improved steady + aim
Normal phase: SS + improved steady + chimera + aim

Am bagat si 2 tol'vir: una inainte a 2-a la al 2-lea rapid fire + food + flask.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/wowscrnshot082412225447.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/wowscrnshot082412225436.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/wowscrnshot082412225433.jpg/
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Problema e ca dupa ce s-a reparat focus regenu,DPS la hunter a scazut drastic, 3-4k / fight.
Recount Chimaeron 25h cu focus regeneration buguit : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/chima.jpg/
Iar dupa ce s-a reparat focus regenartionu' deabia daca pot trece de 27-28k la chimaeron 25h



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Post Posted: 26-08-2012, 19:11:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am gasit faza din al 2-lea film. Video-ul ii pus in 12 februarie si avea la aim shoot 200% damage si 2.4s cast time, nu 160% si 3s.

Asta ii un bug pe freakz. Blizzard a stricat aim-ul in 22 Febr. Noi jucam pe build-ul din 9 Februarie cand nu era stricat. Ar trebui sa dam aimurile ca si ala.

Ii topic mai vechi deschis(http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-2281166.html?#2281166), am scris acolo mai multe detalii.

PS: Am dat pe algaloth(10n) 22.3dps iar un dk a dat 22.7dps la ilvl 355. Asa ceva nu se poate!!!!



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Post Posted: 26-08-2012, 19:35:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

AlinCapacel wrote:
tu ai 351 ilvl.......eu 364......oare care o fi diferentza.....hmm sa ma gandesc? tu dai si in dummyurile alea pvp in care unele dintre ele sunt immune la bleeds...revin cu niste poze pe dummy heroic........

nu te mai lua frate dupa rotatiile scrise in ghiduri in ,,pana mea'' ca acu mi-am dat seama ca ai rotatia praf.........la inceput dai mark+serpent+toate cds cu pots tol vir+2 aimed urmat de steady sa faci full focus apoi iar 2 aimed--------apoi iar readines si iar burst................dupa pui simplu serpent+chimera+aimed+ 3/4 steady-aimed-chimera si tot asa sa potzi da refresh chimera dar sa si dai aimed shotu.........nu te mai lua dupa kkturile alea de careful phase sau kill phase sau cine stie cm se numesc.......


Poze Advance Training dummy

http://imageshack.us/f/407/wowscrnshot082412083304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/wowscrnshot082412083318.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/wowscrnshot082412083323.jpg/

Poze Heroic Training dummy.......nu merg bleeds pe el si din cate am inteles are reduce dmg.....

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/wowscrnshot082412084709.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/wowscrnshot082412084724.jpg/


on:nu am folosit nici o potiune....totu era selfbuffed......acu n-a ce vrei sa faci frate abia ma chinui eu la 364 sau dau peste 24k in raiduri si vrei tu la 355?S-a schimbat hunteru .....asta e nu trb sa suferim parca lumea te apreciaza sa dai DMG kklau in loc sa fi atent la script.......

of:habar n-aveti cate bufuri si exploituri sunt e dk -

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Antz wrote:

PS: Am dat pe algaloth(10n) 22.3dps iar un dk a dat 22.7dps la ilvl 355. Asa ceva nu se poate!!!!


<-- Icarryuallnp here.

In acelasi fight,bh10n, la ilvl 353 am burst`uri de 27-28k, pana la sfarsit ramanand la 22-23k dps.Also dau crit`uri cu aimed shot de 55-57k

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Post Posted: 28-09-2012, 07:00:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Antz wrote:
Am 362 ilvl, ala din al 2-lea video are 351. Nu am folosit potiuni pe dummy ca nici cei din video nu au folosit.

Am facut aceeasi rotatie ca si cei din video: 2 steady - aim... Am vrut sa vad cat dau eu(is special aim shoot) fata de ei pe aceeasi versiune de joc.

La rotatia 2 steady + 1 aim cum ii in video, adica careful aim(cum scrie si in topic) SS de 15s nu te ajuta.

Daca te uiti in video rotatia ii de careful aim. Eu compar cat au dat aia in careful aim fata de cat dau eu in careful aim sa vad cat se dadea pe blizzard in 4.0.6 si cat se da aici. Sa imi pot da seama daca hunterul ii mai praf decat ar trebui sa fie.

Ce mi se pare absurd ii ca eu dau 16-17k pe dummy cu aceeasi rotatie si gear superior(362, 5 iteme hc + dragonheart piercer hc).


Foarte ciudat doar 16-17k dps, pe dummy. La 362 ilvl + Shoulderi PVP vicious eu dau constant 19.5k - 20k dps cu burst 26-27k self buffed fara potiuni si alte chestii.
Rotatia pe care o folosesc eu e: Mark > SS > CD's > Aimed > Chimera > 2 x steady > Aimed > Chimera > Readiness > CD's si iar o iau de la aimed. In raiduri unde ma misc gen halfus imi organizez miscarile exact intre aimed si chimera sa nu pierd mult. La Atra 16k dps da nu am ce face ca e miscare multa si sunt pe fox aspect.

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