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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 03:30:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci de vreo o saptamana jumate, doua sa zic de la ultimul update pe care l-ati facut warriorul pe protection nu mai tine threat deloc nici cu tot cu MD de la hunter si tot cele tot degeaba da un hunter un kimera si e peste mine la threat pe omen nu stiu ce dovada sa va aduc dar warrioru nu mai face threat mai deloc inainte si fara MD si tineam threat super bine akm cateva saptamani , nu mai fac speluri threat corespunzator sau ceva poti sa intrebi si alti warriori pe protection am mai vorbit cu cativa toti au aceaias problema si poti sa intrebi oameni din Gravity sa aduca si ei dovezi deci chiar nu mai se poate tanka asa.

O sa pun si ceva screen cu omen cu threat sau nu stiu cum sa-ti dovedesc dar te rog mult uitate un pic la warr pe protection la threatul care il fac spelurile

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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 10:09:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Din cate imi amintesc MD si tricks erau buguite, adica transferau threatul pana la relog, din aceasta cauza era foarte usor sa ti agro.
Am si eu un warr tank si nu am probleme asa mari cu agro.

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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 11:10:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu e vorba numai de misdirect si tricks,waru ca tank inclusiv cu vigilance pe mine nu tine deloc deloc threatu,urca incredibil de repede comparativ cu dk/drood/dk.la ei nui mare agitatie cu thret dar la war trebe mis la cd,feighnuri salvation etc
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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 11:22:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

eu am avut niste aventuri foarte interesante cu warr tanku meu -... charge pe lord marrowgar shield slam sa-l tin pe mine... bosu sare pe un mag... ii dau taunt ajung de la 40% aggro la 86% aggro.. mag dead... (am probleme cateodata cu aggro nu mereu... dar cand am... poate sa aiba respectivu si 3k gs ca tot imi fura aggro...)


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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 12:16:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Stiu ca erau buguite MD si tricks, dar mi-am pus si glyph ptr vigilance sa transfere inca 5 % mai mult threat si tot degeaba mai ales ca in guilda avem dps foarte buni si nu ai cum sa ti threat-ul in situatia de fata, si dupa cum am zis si mai sus faceam icc-urile de 10 fara Hunter sau Rogue majoritatea timpului si threatul nu urca peste 80 % pe omen chiar daka nu aveam MD si tricks pe mine.
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Post Posted: 12-04-2011, 18:27:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu "protectionul" are probleme, ci anumite spelluri, poate nu genereaza destul threat. Afla care si posteaza

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Post Posted: 13-04-2011, 00:35:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bun am revenit cu niste detalii am verificat diverse forumuri legate de threat value sa zic asa si am gasit asa :



Defensive Stance: 1.3 modifier
Defiance: 1.15 modifier
Battle and Berserker Stance: .8 modifier
Improved Berserker Stance: .9 modifier
Devastate: 100 added threat
Heroic Strike: 220 added threat
Execute: 1.25 modifier
Thunderclap: 1.75 modifier
Thunder Clap: 130 added threat
Demoralizing Shout: 43 added threat
Battle Shout: 55 added threat
Revenge : 201 added threat
Vigilance: The target on whom this ability is casted transfers 10% of all threat caused to the casting Warrior. Protection talent.


Am facut niste teste prin niste heroice si situatia e cam in felul urmator

Thunderclap : Face cam 40-45 threat in loc de 130 added threat pe hit cat ar trebui
Revenge : Abilitate principala de threat face aproximativ 50-60 threat in loc de 201 cat ar trebui
Dmoralizing Shot : Face 0 threat pe omen si ar trebui sa faca 43 threat de fiecare data cand e folosita
Devastate : Face 60-70 threat pe fiecare hit in loc de 100 dar eu folosesc glyph of devastate si aplic 2 sundere pe tic deci ar trebui sa-mi faca 200 threat pe fiecare tic in loc de 60-70 cat face
Heroic Strike : Face 20-30 threat pe hit in loc de 220 pe fiecare hit
Shiled Slamul Abilitate de baza si cea mai importanta face cam 80-90 threat si ar trebui sa faca cam 250-300 pe hit + daca e si shield block activat ar trebui sa faca si mai mult dar aici nu depaseste 80-90 theat pe hit cu tot cu crit
Heroic Throw : facem 20-30 theat in loc de 80-90 cat ar trebui normal
Mocking Blow : Am glyph ptr el si ar trebui sa faca 100 % threat ceea ce nu face
Cam astea sunt abilitatile care le-am testat si care le-am gasit valorile reale pe niste forumuri de world of warcraft. Sper ca ai timp sa repari abilitatile mentionate mai sus sa faca threat corespunzator.

Inca o un bug care vreau sa-l reportez dak tot s-a ivit akm ocazia poate il repari si pe ala. In Black Temple dupa ce omori Council-ul nu apare Akama sa deschida poarta spre Ilidan am incercat 2 saptamani la rand.

Ty for all sper ca poti sa repari tot ce am postat.

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Post Posted: 13-04-2011, 01:43:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Am facut niste teste prin niste heroice si situatia e cam in felul urmator

Thunderclap : Face cam 40-45 threat in loc de 130 added threat pe hit cat ar trebui
Revenge : Abilitate principala de threat face aproximativ 50-60 threat in loc de 201 cat ar trebui
Dmoralizing Shot : Face 0 threat pe omen si ar trebui sa faca 43 threat de fiecare data cand e folosita
Devastate : Face 60-70 threat pe fiecare hit in loc de 100 dar eu folosesc glyph of devastate si aplic 2 sundere pe tic deci ar trebui sa-mi faca 200 threat pe fiecare tic in loc de 60-70 cat face
Heroic Strike : Face 20-30 threat pe hit in loc de 220 pe fiecare hit
Shiled Slamul Abilitate de baza si cea mai importanta face cam 80-90 threat si ar trebui sa faca cam 250-300 pe hit + daca e si shield block activat ar trebui sa faca si mai mult dar aici nu depaseste 80-90 theat pe hit cu tot cu crit
Heroic Throw : facem 20-30 theat in loc de 80-90 cat ar trebui normal
Mocking Blow : Am glyph ptr el si ar trebui sa faca 100 % threat ceea ce nu face
Cam astea sunt abilitatile care le-am testat si care le-am gasit valorile reale pe niste forumuri de world of warcraft. Sper ca ai timp sa repari abilitatile mentionate mai sus sa faca threat corespunzator.


Nu stiu de unde ai luat acel threat table dar pentru 3.3 pentru warrior prot cam acesta ar fi:
Code:
Battle Shout = 78 (split)
Cleave = damage + 225 (split)
Commanding Shout = 80 (split)
Concussion Blow = damage only
Damage Shield = damage only
Demoralizing Shout = 63 (split)
Devastate = damage + 5% of AP
Dodge/Parry/Block = 1 (in defensive stance with Improved Defensive Stance only)
Heroic Strike = damage + 259
Heroic Throw = 1.50 x damage
Rage Gain = 5 (stance modifier is not applied)
Rend = damage only
Revenge = damage + 121
Shield Bash = 36
Shield Slam = damage + 770
Shockwave = damage only
Slam = damage + 140
Spell Reflect = damage only (only for spells aimed at you,not your party members with Improved Spell Reflect)
Sunder Armor = 345 + 5% AP
Thunder Clap = 1.85 x damage
Vigilance = 10% of target's generated threat (stance modifier is not applied)


Si un warrior protection lvl 80 cu 2500 AP,1500 Block Value,cu 15% crit de baza la care mai adaugam si din talente pe un mob cu 27% dmg reduction(fara sunder armour) ar face cam acest threat pe respctivul mob:

Code:
Devastate 1 = 1042 TPS
Devastate 1 1042 TPS
Devastate 2 1253 TPS
Devastate 3 1475 TPS
Devastate 4 1711 TPS
Devastate 5+ 1961 TPS
Sunder Armor 975 TPS
Revenge 4522 TPS
Shield Slam 7242 TPS
Conc. Blow 3385 TPS
Shockwave 3164 TPS
Auto attack 882 TPS
Heroic Strike 2599 TPS
Thunderclap 2605 TPS
Heroic Throw 3417 TPS
Damage Shield 542 TPS


Sursa threat tabelului si a exemplului dat aici si daca o sa am timp sa testez sa vad exact daca threatul este chiar acela din tabel si pe freakz





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Post Posted: 13-04-2011, 03:13:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confirm ce a zis Doru15 mai sus si tin sa adaug: threatul pe privat si la tank si la dps difera foarte mult de blizz, si in fiecare video de encounter se poate observa chestia asta; si la fiecare encounter vezi ca tancii si dps-i fac fiecare in parte mii de tps si se contorizeaza altfel.
Video: link
La minutul 4:30 incepe encounterul, si se poate observa in stanga threatul de-a lungul encounterului. (acest video mi-a venit random in minte si stiam ca are omen repsectiva persoana care filma ; si nu plangeti de dps slab caci este facut pe 3.3 inainte de RS si fara buful de 30% increase damage din ICC)

Documentatii de pe tankspot la cele 4 clase de tank:

1. Death knight threat values: link
2. Warrior threat values: link
3. Paladin threat values: link
4. Druid bear threat values: link


In video-ul de mai sus se poate observa cum contorizeaza omenu ala threatul de zici ca e recount, tps este destul de apropiat de dps (mai putin la tank unde lipsa de dps compenseaza cu multiplicatorul de la presence,stance,righteous fury), dat fiind faptul ca threatul generat este in functie de damage-ul dat.


PS: O astfel de modificare la threat ar necesita inlocuirea sistemului actual, sau recalcularea in cel mai bun caz si la dps si la tank, si sunt constient ca nu e prea usor avand in vedere ca informatiile se gasesc mai greu acum odata cu aparitia noului expansion.


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Post Posted: 13-04-2011, 04:30:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Asa este,am jucat pe blizz tank la 80 si la 85,si nu aveam nici ce-a mai mica problema cu aggro si cu dpsi mult mai geared ca mine...si aici sparg tasta sa fac fata cu aggrou la unele clase...ceva nu e normal,nu stiu sa explic exact...e ceva de genu ca daca nu prind eu bine aggro la inceput nici ca mai recuperez,sau foarte greu ma tin,pe blizz daca dadea un dps de 10 ori intr-un mob si veneam ca tank il luam si il intreceam la threath repede,aici pana cand moare bosu e o lupta sa nu pierd threathu
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Post Posted: 13-04-2011, 16:32:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si eu am jucat Warrior Protection pe blizzard timp de vreo 3 ani si ceva si nu am avut in viata mea probleme cu threatul si cadeam in heroice, fix inainte de patchul de Cata cu warriori si retry cu Shadowmorn prin heroice si nu ajungeau mai mult de 60-70 % threat pe omen si asta doar cand isi foloseau toate cd's, plus ca warriorul ar trb sa fie cel mai bun tank ca threat pe single target ptr ca , cam de asta e facut warriorul pe prot sa fie main Tank nu offtank sau alt chestii, warr nu a fost niciodata bun la aoe tanking dar la single trb sa fie cel mai bun tank.
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Post Posted: 14-04-2011, 13:25:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cat despre de unde am luat table la care ai dat reply atat fac threat spelurile pe Freakz la warrior in momentul de fata nu fac nici macar un sfert din threatul din care ar trebui am facut niste teste prin heroice cu ochii pe omen si atat fac threat cat am scris in aia.
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Post Posted: 14-04-2011, 14:36:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am vazut asta http://www.trinitycore.org/f/index.php?/topic/234-threat/ pe trinitycore, poate te ajuta la ceva Shockere



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Post Posted: 14-04-2011, 17:45:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am vazut si eu topicul ala dar nu m-am prea chinuit sa il citesc, o sa arunc o privire sa vad ce as putea sa gasesc util prin el

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Post Posted: 15-04-2011, 08:55:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

scz de offtopic, dar se leaga putin de discutia asta de aici.
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