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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 14:36:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da hysagi dar gandestete si la ceilalati care nu joaca din bucuresti.... Cand delay de la spells+delay care il ai permanent+delay de la numar mare de playeri, ajungi sa iti intarzie spellu cu 1 secunda. Eu ce mai fac? Asa am ajuns sa dau pounce+savage roar si dupa sa iau sap. Te asigur ca daca ai fii in locul meu nu ti-ar convenii.
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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 14:46:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

lol da hai sa scoatem delayu ca nu pot juca cativa oameni din strainatate
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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 14:55:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu e vorba de strainatate, e vorba ca atunci cand sunt multi playeri on si se aduna toate, e prea mare pentru toti nu neaparat pentru cei din strainatate, dar daca tu nu joci sa vezi cum e, nu stiu de ce postezi, ca nu ai 1 zi played in ultima luna sa iti dai seama cum sta treaba...
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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 15:47:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

hysagi wrote:
E foarte bine cum e acum, daca il scade deja nu mai tine de reflexe ci de anticipare (ma refer la vanish).

Exact. Sau mai pe romaneste. O sa aiba sanse mai mari ala care gandeste decat ala cu experienta in dat la laba.


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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 16:09:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pana la urma spell delay nu trebuie setat ca sa le fie bine celor cu conexiune rea/calculator slab in conditii in care serverul e plin de oameni. BTW. Parca exista o limita pe server, tin minte ca aveam odata que sa ne logam.
Cand e lag pe server se strica treaba, sunt de acord, dar asta nu e un argument pentru scoaterea spell delayului, pentru ca jocul in totalitate merge greu, nu doar partea aia. Ai lag => ia o pauza si intoarce-te cand nu mai ai.

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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 16:22:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

skilz wrote:
nu mergeau multe speluri gen double ciclone sau double poly. problema e altfel .. e prea mare delay de la server si nu prea merge in combinatie cu scriptul actual. propun o scadere la delayu de la scriptu actual . Nu cred ca ar fi normal sa il scoata sincer... Totul se poate repara, aveti rabdare.


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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 16:34:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

E aiurea cand iei deep freeze prin cos, sau deep freeze fara frost nova( ps. dai degeaba dispel la frost nova) si multe altele...
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Post Posted: 29-05-2011, 19:09:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

redred2 wrote:
E aiurea cand iei deep freeze prin cos, sau deep freeze fara frost nova( ps. dai degeaba dispel la frost nova) si multe altele...

chestia asta care o spui tu e cu dute vino, sa vezi ce naspa e cand dai frost nova + deepfreeze dupa global cd si da rogue vanish, apoi inloc sa il scoata din vanish el scapa si de stun si de frostnova.( cand ar trebuii sa fie invers, sa sparga vanishu).


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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 00:54:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

hysagi wrote:
1. delay-ul care se produce cand sunt foarte multi playeri pe server nu introduce travel time la spelluri , ci pur si simplu intarzie spell-ul tau

Am zis eu ca delay-ul baga travel time la spell-uri? Eu am spus chiar ca sunt doua lucruri total diferite.
Eu nu ma referam ca polymorph ajunge pe tine la 500ms dupa ce a fost castat, sau altceva de genul asta. Pe mine ma streseaza imposibilitatea de a intrerupe un cast seara. Hai sa-ti spun cum se intampla:
- inainte de "fix", puteam sa intrerup un poly cu arcane torrent absolut de fiecare data, indiferent de delay;
- dupa "fix", ziua, pot sa intrerup un cast daca dau silence-ul cu cel putin 200ms inainte de cast - working as intended;
- dar seara, pot sa dau AT si la jumatatea cast-ului de poly, ca tot il iau.

Practic, eu trebuie sa am reflexe de pilot de F1 ca sa intrerup un poly seara. Mai devreme am luat si fear de la un lock mort, l-am omorat inainte sa apuce de castat fear-ul si tot l-am luat. E o idee interesanta spell delay-ul, dar seara e deja overkill.

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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 01:34:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

hysagi wrote:
BlackSun wrote:
Gotflow wrote:
Prin travel time la speluri ma refeream la acel delay dintre momentul in care ai apasat ablitatea si momentul in care ea loveste tinta care exista si al spelluri instante, despre asta e tot topicul.

Travel time-ul e de exemplu timpul care ii ia unui frostbolt sa ajunga de la mage la tinta, spell-uri gen polymorph si counterspell nu au travel time. Tu te referi la delay, nu confunda termenii.

Delay-ul care s-a bagat, de 200ms (0.2sec pentru cei care nu stiu) e acceptabil pentru playerii din Romania (eu am maxim 50ms latency), dar pentru altii gen Honourless care joaca din alta tara, se mai adauga cel putin 2-300ms din cauza distantei fata de server. Asa ca ei pleaca din start cu un delay de ~500ms, care le face aproape imposibil pvp-ul.

Si asta doar din cauza ca 2-3 popi nu pot sa dea sw:d pe poly, nu cred ca exista prea multi care stiu tactica asta.

@Gotflow: pe un server oficial pot sa fie si 12k playeri online, daca tu crezi ca nu se face delay deloc de la aia, nu stiu ce sa-ti mai explic. Cand o sa fie 12k si pe Freakz, o sa vezi si aici "delay blizzlike".


Nu stiu cum poti sa ignori toate dovezile care au fost aduse aici si cum nu poti sa intelegi ceea ce iti explica atatia playeri. Tu confunzi doua chestii diferite:

1. delay-ul care se produce cand sunt foarte multi playeri pe server nu introduce travel time la spelluri , ci pur si simplu intarzie spell-ul tau , efectul fiind instant odata ce ai castat spellul ;sa zicem ca tu castezi polymorph, datorita delay-ului cand apesi pe buton nu incepe cast-ul instant , dar incepe dupa 0,3 secunde (depinde de cati playeri sunt); cand ai terminat de castat polymorph il primesti instant.

2. spell delay-ul care intarzie spell-ul odata ce a fost castat; sa luam ca exemplu tot polymorph, tu il castezi si dupa ce l-ai terminat de castat , target-ul nu ia polymorph instant , il ia dupa 0,2 secunde timp in care poti da vanish, swd,shadowmeld, sau chiar sa primesti la randul tau polymorph .

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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 01:57:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ultima ciresica?
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o5u786&&s=7

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=66008 (wowhead link) in cat form -

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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 02:03:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da lasati macar poza ma -

Mi-au dat -reputatie ca nu le plac poneii -
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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 07:16:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Honourless wrote:
Ultima ciresica?
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o5u786&&s=7

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=66008 (wowhead link) in cat form =))



ba tu chiar esti turc? nu intelegi ca e o fereastra de delay de cateva milisecunde in care daca tu esti in normal form si ala apasa pe repetance si in acelasi moment tu iti schimbi forma din cauza acelei ferestre de delay o sa-ti IEI in cat form? 2 pagini in spate imi spuneai ca nu am jucat si nu stiu despre ce e vorba. uite ca am jucat aseara si merge cum trebuie. obisnuieste-te.

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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 08:23:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nici mie nu imi place faza cu delayul, nu mai poti juca mai deloc la spell reflect vs shaman - dupa ce ca are ditamai haste si greu apucai inainte sa ii dai spell reflect la timp, acum tre sa dai la inceputul castului ca sa apuci sa dai spell reflect, iar in cazul asta are timp sa faca fake cast + wind shear >_> bleah, not funny anymore


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Post Posted: 30-05-2011, 08:51:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

esti tu slab. no game problem there.
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