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In cateva zile trebuie sa apara PTR la Cata pe server. Ca sa fiu pregatit, am citit pe internet cum se joaca un MM hunter.

Unele tooltipuri apar gresit, pentru ca preiau informatia din baza de date Freakz. (nu stiu de ce, nu ma intrebati).


1. Spec

Sunt mai multe variatii ale talentelor pentru MM.

Simulation Craft Max DPS Spec: Acest spec ia Trueshot Aura, care nu este intotdeauna folositor. Puteti pune 1 punct in Silencing Shot instead.

Elitist Jerks Spec: Acesta preia Trueshot Aura si Silencing Shot, insa nu include talentul Termination (wowhead link).

2. Glyphs


Prime glyphs:

1. Steady Shot - this is an obvious choice.
2. Arcane Shot - Arcane Shot este o abilitate foarte importanta, fiind focus dump.
3. Chimera Shot - considerat al 3-lea cel mai bun prime glyph. Daca ai ajuns la primul haste plateau, e useless. Poti folosi Rapid Fire instead.

Major glyphs:

1. Trap launcher - in Cataclysm CC-ul conteaza foarte mult, acest glyph scade costul la focus cu 10.
2. Silencing Shot - destul de util, acest glyph iti da 10 focus daca dai interrupt cu succes.
3. Disengage SAU Ice trap - Disengage pentru a te misca mai rapid, Ice Trap pentru extra radius.

Minor glyphs:

Puneti aici ce doriti.


3. Rotatia

"Rotatia" la hunter nu e chiar rotatie, ci mai mult un sistem de prioritati.

Pentru MM hunter exista 4 phases:

Careful Aim Phase: Target Health > 80%
Standard Phase: Target Health 80% - 20%
Termination Phase: Target Health 25% - 20%
Execute Phase: Target Health 20% - 0%

1. Careful Aim

Talentul Careful Aim (wowhead link) face ca Steady Shot si Aimed Shot sa aiba +60% crit. In aceasta faza Aimed Shot va fi focus dump.

Prioritati:

1. Aplica Serpent Sting, insa NU face refresh cu Chimera Shot.
2. Hard Cast Aimed Shot pentru focus dump.
3. Castati perechi de Steady Shots pentru Improved Steady Shot (wowhead link) buff.

Rotatia ar trebui sa arate astfel:

Quote:
Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> etc.


Daca ai buff de Rapid Fire/Heroism/BL, rotatia arata astfel:

Quote:
Aimed --> Steady x 2 --> Aimed x 2 --> Steady x2 --> Aimed x 2 --> Steady x 2


Atunci cand ai 5x Master Marksman (wowhead link), castezi Aimed Shot (este instant).


2. Standard Phase

1. Casteaza Serpent Sting
2. Casteaza Chimera Shot on Cooldown
3. Casteaza Arcane Shot pentru focus dump. Daca ai Rapid Fire/Heroism/BL, faci hardcast Aimed Shot.
4. Aimed Shot la 5x Master Marksman proc in loc de Steady Shot.
5. Cel putin 2 Steady Shots pentru ISS buff.

Rotatia ar trebui sa arate astfel:

Quote:
Chimera --> Arcane x2 --> Steady Shot x 5**

**Poti casta si SSx2 --> Arcane --> SSx3 --> Arcane, ordinea este flexibila.

3. Termination Phase (doar daca ai talentul!!)

Este aceeasi rotatie ca si Standard Phase, doar ca ai mai mult focus. Poti renunta la cateva Steady Shots pentru un extra Arcane Shot.

Daca nu ai talentul, continui cu rotatia din Standard Phase.

4. Execute Phase

La 20% health Kill Shot devine disponibil. In aceasta faza inlocuiesti un Steady Shot cu Kill Shot.

Rotatia ar trebuie sa arate astfel:

Quote:
Kill Shot --> Chimera Shot --> Arcane x 2 --> Steady Shot x 5**

**ordinea este flexibila


AoE rotation:

1. Explosive Trap la CD (cu trap launcher).
2. Instant Aimed Shot la Master Marksman proc.
3. Kill Shot cand e valabil.
4. Multi-Shot
5. Steady Shot in perechi pentru ISS buff.


4. Stats

Cele mai importante stats pentru un hunter:

Hit rating > Ranged weapon DPS > Agi > Crit > Haste > Mastery > Stamina.

1. Hit rating.

Pentru a nu da miss, ai nevoie de 8% Hit = 961 hit rating (841 daca ai un Draenei).

2. Ranged weapon DPS.

Acesta este cel mai important stat pentru un Hunter (inafara de hit rating). Vei avea DPS increase daca folosesti ranged weapons cu DPS mai mare, indiferent de ce stats are (inclusiv gunul de "tank").

3. Agility

Al treilea cel mai important stat, se gaseste pe aproape tot gearul de mail. Agi creste AP si crit rating.

4. Crit rating

Hunterul depinde destul de mult de crit rating (mai ales ca rata de crit a scazut in Cata).

5. Haste

Beneficii la haste:

-creste numarul de Autoshoturi, deci si la Wild Quiver
-reduce cast time la steady shot si aimed shot.
-creste focus regeneration
-creste efectul la abilitati cum ar fi Piercing Shots.

Din pacate, nu modifica numarul de tickuri la Serpent Sting.

6. Mastery

Mastery la MM hunter este Wild Quiver. Acesta iti da 14.4% sansa ca sa dai un extra shot. Iti trebuie 179.28 Mastery rating pentru 1 Mastery point. 1 punct de Mastery iti creste sansa cu 2.1%.

Hunterului nu ii prea place mastery, acesta de obicei face reforge pentru mai mult Crit, Hit sau Haste.


5. Haste plateau?

Pentru un MM hunter, un haste plateau este o cantitate de haste care ne lasa sa castam un extra Steady Shot sau Arcane Shot intre 2 Chimera Shots.

1. Primul haste plateau

Ai nevoie de 9.64% Haste sau 1235 Haste Rating
Sa NU folositi: Glyph of Chimera Shot
Rotatia se schimba in:
Quote:
Chimera --> Arcane x 2 --> Steady x 5 (ordinea e flexibila)

Inlocuiesti al 5lea Steady Shot cu un instant Aimed Shot (daca ai proc bineinteles).

2. Al doilea haste plateau

Ai nevoie de 10.52% Haste sau 1347 Haste Rating
Ai nevoie de Glyph of Chimera Shot si de 4p T11 Set Bonus.
Rotatie:
Quote:
Chimera --> Arcane x 2 --> Steady x 5 (rotatie flexibila)

La fiecare al 3lea instant Aimed Shot il dai in loc de Arcane Shot.

6. Gems

Meta gem: Agile Shadowspirit Diamond
Red gem: Delicate Inferno Ruby
Yellow & Blue: pui un red gem. Daca socket bonus e bun, folosesti Deadly Ember Topaz, Deft Ember Topaz, Adept Ember Topaz, Glinting Demonseye.

7. Enchants

Head: Arcanum of the Ramkahen (Ramkahen revered)
Shoulders: Greater Inscription of Shattered Crystal (Therazane exalted)
Back: Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Major Agility
Chest: Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
Wrists: Enchant Bracer - Agility
Gloves: Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Major Agility
Belt: Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
Legs: Dragonscale Leg Armor
Boots: Enchant Boots - Assassin's Step
2H Melee Weapon: Enchant 2H Weapon - Mighty Agility
Ranged Weapon: Gnomish X-Ray Scope

8. Reforging (in curand)

9. Pets

In Cataclysm Blizzard a normalizat toate peturile. Vei folosi petul care da raidului un buff care lipseste.

Quote:

Cat - Strength & Agility
Wolf - 5% crit
Raptor - 12% armor Debuff
Carrion Bird - 10% Physical Damage Debuff
Hyena - 30% bleed damage Debuff
Sporebat - 30% cast speed reduction
Tallstrider or Fox - 10% Melee attack speed slow Debuff
Ravager - 4% physical damage vulnerability Debuff
Dragonhawk or Wind Serpent - 8% spell damage taken Debuff

Exotic BM only pets:
Corehound – exotic - Heroism/Bloodlust/Timewarp plus cast speed reduction
Silithid – exotic - Stamina buff
Shale Spider – exotic - 5% buff to stats



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Post Posted: 01-09-2011, 17:15:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Este un topic bun, interesant. Dar mi se pare copiat.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2267490605 -
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CiuriBuri wrote:
Este un topic bun, interesant. Dar mi se pare copiat.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2267490605 -
Apreciez munca ta -


Are aceeasi structura, insa nu e copiat.



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Post Posted: 04-09-2011, 17:21:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Prietene.... cateva greseli majore. Vad ca toata rotatia ta se bazeaza pe arcane shot(focus dump). Ideea e in felul urmator: Arcane shot este folosit DOAR cand nu poti casta steady shot. Ma rog, hai sa ti spun rotatia mea pe hunterul meu de pe sylvanas. In primul rand deschid cu serpent chiemera, pe urma steady x3 iar pe urma un macro : /use potion of the tol vir / cast call of the will / use enchantu de manusi / cast raprid fire / cast aimed shot /cast readyness . ai 30 de sec de rapid fire ceea ce inseamna f multe aimeduri . Pe langa asta, 2 arcane crit = cam 30k dmg . global cd 2 sec, 50 focus. 1 aimed non crit = 30k dmg (crit am dat si 90k). Deci, arcane shot nu l dai, mai bine dai un aimed. Glyph de cimera este folosit DOAR in conditii ideeale (daca ai lag / low fps..nu prea vei beneficia tu de acea secunda). Glyph of kill shot in schimb... 2 kill shot fara cd, fara focus, cd 6 secunde(sau 9).


Deci rotatia pe care o recomand este :

Serpent / chimera / steady x2 / aimed / steady x 3/4(in functie de cast time) / chimera / aimed / steady x 3 ..si tot asa....Ma poti face nooooob dar eu nu folosesc arcane shot.

Altceva ce ai gresit. Mastery la marksmanship nu este pe autoshot (da, el da cu autoshot) dar, iti ia proc din orice shot (exceptie ticurile de la serpent park si de la bleed). Dar oricum, mai bun haste decat mastery pt mm.

Phase 1 incepand cu 4.2 nu mai e pana la 80%, e pana la 90%. Enchant pe cizme - 35 agil. enchant pe manusi - mai bine 50 haste. scope - s a inventat flinstock ( 300 agil) . Mi se pare cam copiat al tau post dintr un singur motiv - ORICE HUNTER CARE JOACA MOMENTAN PE BLIZZ, spec Marks, nu foloseste arcane shot asa de des....


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Post Posted: 05-09-2011, 10:12:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

in loc de steady baga cobra...
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Post Posted: 05-09-2011, 10:24:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

e mai bun cea zis alanaa de 100 de ori la rotatie si glip
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Post Posted: 05-09-2011, 12:34:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

alin100 wrote:
in loc de steady baga cobra...


cobra pe mm ?- ok...fa tu asa -


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Post Posted: 06-09-2011, 09:59:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> etc. -

Am testat si eu rotatia asta si nu mi se pare ok pt ca e mare pierdere de focus.

Dai 2xSteady => focusul generat se pierde
Dai aimed
Dai 2xstedy
Cand dai iar Aimed,ai focus full ...iar cele 3,5 secunde cat castezi aimed ,focusul se pierde,iar.Va rog sa ma lamuriti si pe mine.Mersi



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Syandre wrote:
Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> etc. -

Am testat si eu rotatia asta si nu mi se pare ok pt ca e mare pierdere de focus.

Dai 2xSteady => focusul generat se pierde
Dai aimed
Dai 2xstedy
Cand dai iar Aimed,ai focus full ...iar cele 3,5 secunde cat castezi aimed ,focusul se pierde,iar.Va rog sa ma lamuriti si pe mine.Mersi



https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=34483 (wowhead link)

DE asta dai aimed, cuz it hits like a truck.
Alaana wrote:


Serpent / chimera / steady x2 / aimed / steady x 3/4(in functie de cast time) / chimera / aimed / steady x 3 ..si tot asa....Ma poti face nooooob dar eu nu folosesc arcane shot.


Nu joci la hard cast aimed shot sub 90% pentru ca iti opreste auto-shots. Si nu vad cum faci tu full master marksman proc din 2 sau 3 steady.


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ALa o fii un hunter retardat, de ce da cu arcane shot sa faca focus dump? Mai bine ascultati pe Alaana stie mai multe ca tipu ala.


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mai bun haste decat mastery pt mm.


Not, decat daca te apropii de un haste cap.

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Post Posted: 06-09-2011, 13:56:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ok ma jert,nu am zis de ce se foloseste aimed...am intrebat de ce se foloseste asa din cauza ca e pierdere de focus( sau asa trebuie? ) . o rotatie mai probabila din ce am vazut eu ar fi gen aimed aimed steady (poate x2) aimed steady etc


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Post Posted: 06-09-2011, 15:12:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok. 1: In raid, cu totem of wrath/buuf de moonkin / buff de spriest de 5% haste, plus haste din 2x steady = Cast time 2 secunde la aimed shot. Cast time pt steady shot cu 4 piese t11 este de 1.31. Oricum, care dintre voi ati jucat cataclysmu, stiti foarte bine ca Rotatia de pe hartie nu este aceasi ca in instanta. majoritatea bosilor nu ti permit sa stai 5 secunde pe loc pt a casta steady / aimed. Dar cum am zis, eu o tin pe a mea, arcane pe marks nu se merita.

*pentru cel cu focus dump / focus acumultat - 2x steady = 18 focus + 3 secunde intre ele la 4.5 focus regen (daca ai haste) = 31.5 focus . Unde i focusul acumulat avand in vedere ca te costa 50 focus un aimed. ?

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Syandre wrote:
Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> Steady x 2 --> Aimed --> etc. -

Am testat si eu rotatia asta si nu mi se pare ok pt ca e mare pierdere de focus.

Dai 2xSteady => focusul generat se pierde
Dai aimed
Dai 2xstedy
Cand dai iar Aimed,ai focus full ...iar cele 3,5 secunde cat castezi aimed ,focusul se pierde,iar.Va rog sa ma lamuriti si pe mine.Mersi



Sa zicem ca pornesti de la 100 focus

Dai serpent / chimera = 69 focus . ramai cu 31+4 = 35
2x steady = 26(considerand si focus regen) . 35+26=61 -50 aimed = 11 focus. inca 6 secunde pentru a casta steady x2 +aimedu abia dat = 18(de la steady) + 6x4(focus regen per sec) 24 = 42 +11 focusul ramas = 53 . Abia ai foscus pt a casta chimera shot care probabil va deveni accesibil. Pe urma ar trebui sa castezi cam vreo 5 steady pana ai focus full, pe urma aimed si iar chimera. Dar cum am precizat, conteaza f mult ce bufuri ai...

Nota pt cei care nu stiati: Ranged haste buff(10 % de la sham hunter pe suv, dk pe frost) nu influenteaza in nici un fel focus regen sau cast time la aimed/steady .


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Stii ca aimed shot face clipping la auto-shot si daca nu da crit e dps loss nu?
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Alanaa wrote:
ar trebui sa castezi cam vreo 5 steady pana ai focus full, pe urma aimed


partea asta no o inteleg eu.Am focus full...incep sa castez aimed.3,5 secunde nu mai se genereaza focus ca d'oh...doar e full. nu ar fi mai bine sa bag doar 4 steady sa am undeva pe la 90 focus iar cand termin de castat sa fie ~98-100 focus?



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Post Posted: 24-09-2011, 18:14:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Intrebare de noob: Am observat ca in amandoua spec-uri de talent s-a cheltuit pentru "Go for the Throat" si "Sic 'Em" care mai mult afecteaza pet-ul. E important pet-ul pentru un hunter MM pe langa buff-urile pe care le da in instante incat sa cheltui puncte pe acele talente?
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